S1 Ep1: Season 1 Episode 1, 2, 3, 4: Leavetaking, and

a lot more

Welcome everybody. I’m gonna keep this short and sweet. I think we do a pretty good

job as the episode progresses, kind of explaining things and what we’re doing and

where we’re going, all I wanted to do up top is just say that Justin was nice enough to

record this podcast while he was in a hotel room, caring for his, his wife was nice

enough to let him do it. Not that she wouldn’t be nice. She’s awesome. But so sound

wise, it’s only gonna get better from here. The sound is not terrible. It is just obvious he

is in a big hotel room with questionable internet. Please enjoy. Thank the light. There we

go. Hey, I hear you. Ah, you, well, then this is perfect. I’m gonna do an intro. I’m gonna,

I’m gonna chat with the audience real quick and then that will kind of clue you in. Then

as to where I’m going with this too. So we’ll try to keep this at two hours going forward.

They’re only going to be an hour. But since we’re talking about four episodes, I figured,

you know what, like it’s gonna be an hour and a half as we run through an episode and

just like not to, like you said, not to give a commentary per se. Just kind of like, OK, this

gives me stuff to talk about. Welcome to. Thank the light everybody. I am Desmond

mcneese, Justin Gaines will introduce himself in just a moment. He’s working on some

technical things, but I just wanted to welcome you to this new show that we’re doing

about the Wheel of Time. Amazon video movie, motion art series. Um I am very new to

this. This is the first I’ve really come into it. Justin has been a longtime fan of the books

and mostly I just wanna wanna give you guys a heads up this first episode, we’re gonna

be focusing on four episodes, so we’re gonna miss some stuff and that’s ok. We’ve got

plenty of time to do some deeper dives later. We just really wanna make sure that we

keep up with the release schedule and we’ll, we’ll come back to these episodes in the

off season or maybe even in the coming weeks as things come up in future episodes

and we’ll take some deeper dives. If there are some particular deep dives that youwould like us to take. Please send us an email at Thank the Light at gmail.com. That is

thank the light at gmail.com. Please give us any questions, comments, things we miss

things we should focus on things you’re excited about. If Justin uh records with or

without pants. We will answer all of your questions. Definitely. No pants. Yes, no pants.

Podcasting. I thought that’s how, that, that was the whole point of podcasting is no

pants. There you go. This is so exciting for me, Justin. I have been podcasting for a

while now. I got a couple other shows and trying to figure out something that we could

come together on and I’m so excited you brought this to my attention. So I didn’t have to

drag you in it at all. I’ve got all the equipment and the mics and I’m ready to roll and,

and you’re excited about this product. So we just just jumped right on it. What is without

getting too spoiled? So, Justin, like I said, he is a longtime fan of the book, so he’s got

some inside knowledge that we’re going to try to temper just right to not spoil things for

people who are jumping in just with the TV shows. But uh give us your history on this

series. Yeah. So some predictions, hopefully more like, uh you know, because of my

knowledge, I’ll kind of see where they’re going with it a little bit ahead of time and kind

of just talk about it more than be like, oh, this is what’s gonna happen because I think

it’ll be like Game of Thrones a little bit where they do change some stuff, but I think they

will change much less. I think the change. So the changes I’ve seen so far are mostly

for story progression. I really love this. I’ve been reading it since I was like 14 or 15

years old. My cousin was like, man, you need to read these books, dude. And I was like,

yeah, ok, let’s check them out and I started reading them and I, they were amazing and

he got sick, the writer got sick and they lapsed for a while and another guy ended up

finish him. And I thought he really captured just the feel and all the best parts of Robert

Jordan’s writing at the beginning and, and to finish it in a real flurry. So I’m super

excited to see where the TV show goes, especially from what I’ve seen so far. I’m, I’m

pretty excited about the whole situation. The casting so far has been amazing. Uh

People definitely get the source material and their characters was his son, the one whofinished it or did he just help procure some of the, no, the guy Anderson. Um, he was

just a guy, another kind of like science fiction writer that Robert Jordan was, I think a big

fan of and Robert Jordan

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had all these notes because he was kind of sick for a long time. And it’s like you can

kind of tell in the, in the few books that he finished towards the end. It’s like he really

spends a lot on what they’re wearing. And the scenery and, you know, it gets away from

the story a little bit, which is why I’m really excited about the TV show because while

they’re long winded, they’re great. But, um, in a TV show to get people, especially the

first season to get people hooked and to want to be able to kind of live through that

character development, uh, they’re doing it a lot faster which, you know, I don’t

necessarily think is a bad thing as long as they do it right. And so far it’s been great. So,

uh but it’s just a guy and then he hand picked him and then uh Robert Jordan’s wife is

also his uh publisher or editor or both and she took the notes to him and she approved

all the file copies and everything and I thought that it was awesome because, you know,

something like that could go really badly. Yeah. And it was, I think he was still alive

when it was optioned for, it was optioned for the screen in the year 2000. Yeah. No, it

was for the, the, the screen and honestly, anybody who wants to look it up, I believe it’s

just called Dragon or maybe the last dragon look it up on youtube, Winter Dragon. Yes,

Winter Dragon. And it’s pretty terrible. And, but um, it is kind of the opening scene in the

first books which they skip is when they’re, they’re kind of telling the story of the dragon

when he kills his last few, you know, hours of life when he kills his whole family and

everything, like the dragon, like the stories that they’re kind of starting to tell at the

beginning of this, the myth and the legend. So it was one of those things where they

just made a 22 minute think just so they could keep because there’s there, they alwaysput options in those contracts. It’s like if you don’t use it, you lose it. And it was starring

Billy Zane. Yeah, it had Billy Zane in it. I think, I don’t think Billy Zane was playing the

Dragon. I think he was playing uh Hamel. Hamel, I guess is how you would say is he’s

known as the betrayer of hope. He’s kind of one of the not good guys, but I think that

was who Billy Zane was if I remember correctly. But yeah, I mean, like right now I’m

watching uh just the casting for Moraine. Uh you know, she’s supposed to be slightly

more diminutive, like she be kind of small but you know, a really pale woman. Um land,

you know, all the border Landers are kind of like the vibe you get is a real kind of

samurai warrior vibe. You know, they have like, you know, they have katanas basically

that’s their sword. We’ll get into these characters as we meet them. So we start and not

a regular day like it’s an exciting time of the season in our heroes, small mountain town

and they’re just doing what they do, picking berries, serving mead, doing their thing.

Igun is it Iwd? Uh Iwan, Ian Iwan is in the middle of a big ceremony to become. Now

this is just to become a woman. This isn’t to become a wisdom, right? Uh It’s kind of like

it, it’s definitely coming of age. And like once you, you are old enough to braid your hair

and become a woman, then you can, you know, you can get married and you can try to

join the women’s circle and be part of the village council. But like, so every woman goes

through this, I think so. I mean, generally speaking, I, I mean, in the books, it’s not as

much of a ceremony. I think they’re kind of trying to show you that it’s a wisdom thing

too. I think they’re trying to kind of combine it all into one. Yeah, they, so soon, soon

after that Nava uh the this town’s wisdom comes to her and says I want you to be my,

my uh uh my apprentice. Thank you. That’s the word apprentice and naive. She’s like uh

uh the names un unbelievably tough until you like everything. Like I’ve, I found out like

the things that I’ve been pronouncing for 20 years. Uh Everybody, I just want you to

know that Justin is the one that told me her name wasn’t her Moin Granger and he

looked at me like I was an Idi, he’s like, that’s Hermione. Everyone knows that. I’m like,

where do you see these words? And that was before the movies, I think too. He’s justlike, yeah, dude, I had them all read, I think before the movie so great. I, I’m enjoying

this more now. I had a, I, I knew I was gonna like this world one. I trust you and two, I

could just kind of see where it’s going, but I got a little, not too frustrated because I

knew that we were going to get through it. But like, I’m the whole that’s watching Game

of Thrones now. And so like, I just went through a massive world building situation and

so I’m just like, ready to do it. Yeah, I think a lot of people are kind of like aching for that

next kind of Game of Thrones type and like this isn’t gonna be that per se, but it’s

gonna be, it’s gonna fill that void for people who like, really kind of want like a really

good fantasy. Like, it’s what is dude say on parts and he’s like, oh, it’s a fantasy. It’s real

people set in a fantasy world. It’s like real stories. Like it’s real stories in a fantasy world

and it’s like, it’s a little more fantastic in its own way than Game of Thrones. Yeah,

there’s no dragons in this spoiler alert game of Thrones has dragons, sorry guys. But

you know, there’s plenty of stuff in this that is, is

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more, uh, you know, kind of magical. It’s better because the dragon in this is a man or a

human. We don’t know if it’s a man or a woman yet. So they’re very specific and again,

we don’t wanna get too spoil, but they’re very specific that only women can hold the

light, but a man or a woman can be dragging. What’s up with that? OK. Here’s the thing

without getting too spoil. Let me lay it out. So you get a little bit of it in the first episode.

Mar kind of tells a little bit of the story in the men and used to be men and women

could, the the female half is Sar and the male half is Sidin. OK? And it used to all be

kind of the same thing. It was just represented as men are kind of more destruct. So

they’re represented by the black half of the, the kind of Yin Yang looking circle that they

keep showing. And then the white half is the flame of tar and, and like, you know the the

women side because women like the way they embrace the power in the books is likethey imagine a flower opening to the sun and you go with the flow. The way men

channel are more like you gotta grab the snake and choke it and bring it into

submission because it’s like a raging torrent of lava. You know, like it’s very different the

way men and women feel used and connect with the power and we see that a little bit.

They don’t, they don’t accentuate it too much. But when they’re holding the guy down,

he’s kind of in a crouched together position while the women are kind of open and

facing him. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don’t wanna get ahead. But dude, trust me, I’m gonna

talk, I really wanna talk about the way they, the way they’re showing the one power

being used and all of that, I have a lot to say about it. So then they uh they have a

ceremony, the lantern ceremony, which is so the wheel of time is let’s just put this in 3d

terms. When you die, you get put on a spoke of the wheel and then your soul goes

around and does whatever souls do when they’re not on this planet. And then

eventually the wheel brings you back for another spin. Basically, you’re the same thread

and as the wheel, like, you know, think of it as a giant and just like million spoked wheel

of friends or whatever. And then as the wheel gets back to your spot, you’ll get, you’re

either still living or you get spit out again, you know, and like people, it’s a reincarnation

theme. I think if you think of it like that, it’s, it’s very it’s very prevalent in these stories.

Um, especially on the darker side of people. That’s one of the, yeah, it’s one of the dark

ones, special, special tricks that he does a lot. So, before the lantern ceremony, a

merchant comes to town and I don’t trust this frigging guy at all his buck tooth as, no,

you shouldn’t trust him. My second time. The first time I thought, oh, cute. It’s the funny

merchant guy. Like this is gonna be good. The second time I watched it, I realize when

the trolley show up, he just kind of grins and walks away. I’m like, oh, and they

mentioned at one point they say one of the eye lists may already be here, feel free to

just nod into the camera if you don’t want to spoil it for. But I, I mean, if you’re thinking

about that, the ISIS is already there. The rider on the road, you just don’t know he’s the

ili yet, right? So they’re having a ceremony, they’re, they, they have their belty ceremony.They release the lanterns. The lanterns are there to bring their ancestors back when

they’re, when they’re, if it’s their time to come back, the lanterns will lead them back

here because you know, every time you go around, you do just a little bit better. And if

you can go around this wheel one more time in the same place with the same people,

all the merrier. What do they call it the ta Tavern. Who are these people, um, tavern and

they’re the people that if they’re strong enough to be in. And it’s like, usually there are

people who have been heroes or, you know, like, very impactful in their previous lives

and whatever it is that their personalities are strong enough, whether they have the

power or you’ll see. Like, you know, so, I don’t know where they’re going to go with it in

the show but, you know, it’s, everyone’s getting that twitchy feeling but it’s the bell times.

So the party goes on any. 00. So the party goes on anyways. And then moraine our

titular Eye sai of our story shows up and everyone knows who she is. Her warden is a

warden or warder. Warder, er, warder is with her and they have been ex, I don’t know if

they really explained wars very well. Let me take a guess. So, in order for the eyes to

die, to cast magic, it takes time and effort and they can’t protect themselves and the war

is there. Yeah. And more or less, you know, it’s kind of the idea of like, you know,

protecting the bowman with the lion of Pikes. You know, you’ve got to give them time to

do their thing. And also if they have been, you know, drawing a lot on the one power

though, they could be weak for a few days or there’s places where they can’t channel

as you see in uh episode two at the beginning. You know, there’s places that they can’t

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otherwise, you know, people wouldn’t be uh happy with them to say the least. I that’s

one of the things I pre about this is that it takes energy and effort to cast a spell. She’s

not just, you know, a lot of times you see wizards and fantasy and you’re like, oh well,he could just walk through this world and just where’s his man? A meter? How does he

refill shit? So it’s definitely kind of um it’s uh one of the reasons I fell in love with this, it’s

very force ish like it’s definitely kind of an inner being and some people are stronger.

You’ll hear people talk about, oh, you know, the old blood is really strong and beneath

her in and stuff like that and they’ll have some crazy powerful uh girls come out of their

village at some point if this, you know, continues to go. Well, the one thing that we didn’t

talk about is like they’re really showing you how the red aja is um in the first part of this

episode when they go hunt that guy down, they’re just kind of showing you that, that’s a

guy who channels and that’s what the Reds do just backing up a little bit. Yeah. No, I

that’s good because I, I jumped right into the town and I forgot that we get AAA big

chase scene at the beginning. It’s two guys running and then when the eye to eye catch

up to him, you realize it’s just one guy and his vision and he has been obviously

touched by the dark magic. The red woman says this is only for women. When men

touch it, they make it filthy and kills, which isn’t true. Uh I mean, OK, so like what she’s

saying is that that’s the reds uh the red, that’s where the OJ each have their own kind of

thing. And the reds stand for like men are, are, are filthy. Men have perverted it. And

that’s not entirely true. It’s their half of the magic that’s been tainted altogether. So any

man who touches it good, bad and different will go insane. It doesn’t matter how strong

you are. It’s just each person will be affected differently. Each person will be able to fight

it off or not fight it off longer or not longer. You know, just it’s a, it’s an individual thing.

They, they tell a story later about someone who or no, we actually see it. Yeah, I, I don’t

wanna of us because I want to talk about that. So I really love how they visualize that,

but well, because they don’t really show you that. So Moraine shows up, she’s looking

for the dragon. There’s so they know the dragon is 20 years old and there are four

people in this village that are 20 years old and have all come in contact with the power.

We don’t, we don’t really, I don’t know what that is yet. How these people in this small

village, all 20 year olds came in contact with the power. It’s not come in contact with the,um, there was a, there was, they, they really gloss over it. They have a, is to die at the

beginning who had a foretelling that 20 years ago that the, the, the last, the, the latest

dragon has been born. And so so by being touched by it, they could have been touched

by it in a past life. They didn’t have to touch it. It’s not even a touch thing. It’s just like the

wheel, spit out the next dragon and we have to find them. Oh, it’s not like touchy, touchy.

No, no. It’s just like the w the wheel, the wheel, birth the dragon. He or she’s needed

many, many years ago. Men thought that they could get rid of all darkness. It was more

like, um, war wasn’t known. And when the dark one started coming around for the

reasons that he does, which, you know, eventually we’ll find out. It’s more like there

was, it was more like everybody’s cool, everybody’s got everything and then some

people wanted some more power. They figured out how to, like, touch the dark one’s

power. That’s, that’s where that comes. And then in, you know, men are like, we’re

gonna fight and the females are like, there’s gotta be a better way. And so the men go

fight and in fighting their half of the magic is tainted. That’s why the females didn’t get.

And so that’s why for however many years only women have been, I don’t know if

allowed is the right word, but basically allowed. Yeah, because I mean, if a man

wouldn’t have gone crazy, he could have kept his power, but they all went mad. So

yeah, it wasn’t it one man, it was thousands, you know, at once. Men are gross,

disgusting power hungry boys. Um And so so yeah, so Moraine is looking for the red

dragon. She hangs. Oh, they’re having the big, the big party and then the Trolli show up.

So the Trolli are orcs for lack of a, I mean, for now, I’m sure I’m sure we’re gonna

change that terminology later. But for fantasy, yeah, for lack of a better um

understanding as someone who’s new, look at him as like a orc. They’re kind of worse

in their own way because they’re not like a race. They’re created. And so yeah, orcs

were created in the Lord of the Rings, weren’t they? Actually? Yeah, you’re right. They

were kind of like boiled out of the ground or Yeah, and they’re way more powerful. Like

these are like these are all God orcs. Well, actually, no, because the thing about theTRS is like where orcs like they, you know, they have the kind of smaller goblin ones

and they have the big badass ones. All the TRS are kind of different because they’re

mixed with animal stuff. And I’m sure as we get from

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some have like eagles heads on a man’s body and some of them are more able to be,

to move humanly and fight humanly and some of them are a little more awkward but

still, you know, swing swords and stuff and some of them just fight with hands and feet,

you know, stuff like that. But, you know, generally they’re making them a little more

similar uh as uh so actors can play them. I think it’s CG I budget to be honest, as we go

further in the show, you’re gonna get more interesting looking trolleys and stuff like that.

So Moraine uses her power to fight off these things, but in the melee few interesting

things. One is Rand’s dad. Rand’s dad pulls out a sword. Yeah, he’s got a sword. Is that

a swan that’s on it? It is a heron and generally hearing Mark blades in this world means

that you’re a blade master. If it’s a true hair in Mark blade, it means that you killed a

blade master to get it and you either took it from him or, or somebody made you one

like who was like from his house or, or whatever, something like that. So he’s, he’s bad

ass enough to either acquire the sword through one means or another. He’s got skills.

Yes. And also a lot of her and more, especially the older ones are power made so that

they won’t break. They don’t need to sharpen. Um, the I said, I don’t make weapons for

a long time, but the ones are from like the age of legends that are still around because

they, they don’t ever get back. Did Rand take it with him? Yeah, he did. OK. And also in

this melee Perin in the middle of a, I wanna say Tran, that’s not right. What are they of

like a berserker tr like Rage tra like thank you. Yeah, he killed his wife. Is everybody

talking about? Yeah, go ahead. Say it again. You cut out. No, I was just uh yeah, you

know, in his little berserker rage of killing TRS, he turns and he chops his wife in halfalmost. So Nav Nava is Drug away by some Trolli oh 999 90 I’ve read there’s a, you’re

over complicating it. I used to say ni naive, so naive, naive, naive and Iwan, they have

kind of the harder names in the books. Actually. It’s kind of like what? At least when you

write Iwin it makes sense. Yeah, I will say this. Her casting. Oh Man Dead ass Rand, the

kid who plays Rand is great. Ken is my least favorite actually because I really like his

character. In the book and what they’re trying to do, they say because he’s always been

bigger. He moves slower, he talks slower. He seems slow witted because he doesn’t

want hurt anybody. But I get that they’re trying to show that but he’s just coming off is

really dumb to me so far and it’s bugging me, I think. Yeah, I can see why if you’ve read

further, you’d think that. But as someone who was just introduced, I think, I think they’re

doing ok. And he gets so well, we’ll get into that in a minute. So she so naive gets drug

away by the Trolli and then, and, and moraine her warder land, Iwin Rand Perin and

Matt Moraine says you have to come with me because one of you is it, yeah, one of you

is it and it’s definitely story progression, book wise. Like they have no idea why they

should go. They just know the TRS are there and she’s like you guys should come with

me because you know, you know this and that the other. She’s like, well, and that’s how

she gets him to come with her too is that she’s like the TRS are coming and they’ll kill

anyone you’re near. Yeah, basically, like if you get out of here, then you can kind of save

your Yeah, they don’t have any idea about dragon reborn, anything like this. It’s like, you

know, like I said, they’re moving really fast which is fine because the parts that they’re

moving really fast into me are stuff that you can gloss over a lot of that stuff anyway,

because it’s just, if you don’t get a, if you don’t get past your first season, you’re not

going to develop these characters anyway. Watching uh Game of Thrones right now.

And then I just started listening to the book that opening prologue that takes 4.5

minutes is 45 minutes of reading. You think if you think George R, Martin is long waited,

Robert Jordan, that guy will spend three pages talking about the scroll work on some

chick’s dress and I get it because a lot of that, especially in the books is like they’retrying to show you that it doesn’t matter what color your skin is. If you look Asian,

whatever, it’s more about your dress and you where you’re from because, you know,

there’s no real races per se. There is to a certain extent. But like, there’ll be, you know,

several types of, of people from Khem or some, several types of people from, you know,

where they’re from and, you know, like that’s why some people look black or Asian or

whatever, but they’re all the same and they do a good job again as a newcomer of

lacing that in like, I definitely, instead of just pointing out you’re dressed wrong, you

suck. Like there’s a lot of subtle just like you can tell people are just kind of side eyeing

them and, and, oh, I know where you’re, you’re not from a city because, you know, your

caller is wrong or something. Right. You, you seem like a country bumpkin because of

whatever and like, they do a good job of doing it without hitting you over the head with

it, which I like Matt. Matt’s character is a little different at the beginning, but I think

they’re doing it to kind of like I said, to inform his, you know, they’re, they’re showing you

he’s got a good heart,

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but his family wasn’t like that in the books. They were a really tight family. His dad and

Tam are like, really, yeah, his dad, Tam’s uh Rand’s dad and Matt’s dad are best friends

in the book. They’re horse traders and they’re really tight and they’re both really good

dudes. And so, you know, Matt’s dad being a, a piece of crap in and this is kind of, and

his mom too fall like, yeah, both his parents are just definitely far from the books, but I

think it’s because Matt goes through some really bad and he kind of comes off as he

could kind of go like to the dark side or something, you know, for lack of a better

description at this point without giving anything away. Um And I think they’re really

trying to still make you like him. I love Matt dude. Matt’s my favorite character, bro. I

wanna get a tattoo of Matt the books. He’s so awesome. He’s like his, he goes throughthis stuff and he ends up being like so lucky. Like it’s just about he can’t lose that

gambling. It’s amazing. Like I, I don’t, I doubt you get this reference and I doubt anyone

out there will get this reference. But Kelly and I, for whatever reason got really into the

100 he reminds me of I ended up falling in love with John in that and he’s just a

scoundrel little bastard and I ended up loving him. And like so immediately Matt is just

like taking John’s place and I’m already super excited. I was, you know, completely, you

know, for to, for, for Han solo when I was a kid because Luke Skywalker is kind of a little

w he’s got a whiny voice like Han Solo is the man dude. And uh I, he’s Matt is the Han

solo of the story 100%. He’s like, God, why do I gotta save these people, man? That

what I do, I guess let’s go parents right there with them. But by far, Matt’s the most

badass non channeler in the books hands down. So when I, when I’m trying to like keep

these characters great. The first time I’m watching this, I’m just writing down any

buzzwords I can. So here it is, Gwen got her braid nine wisdom Rand. I wrote down

Anakin because he’s an Anakin looking mo but you know what, honestly, like I said,

without giving too much away, you, you, you’ve got the right vibe which means that

they’re doing their job correctly because of the simple fact that you’re picking that up

already. And it’s like even with their kind of like they’re definitely trying to do red herrings

and shit like that. So real, real quick, real quick. So Parin Wolf boy. Yes, wolf boy,

definitely. And Matt, I wrote down this is what I was getting to Matt. I wrote down

scoundrel. Gorel. Uh, yeah, I would change parents to wolf brother. Ah, right before the

Trullo come to town, they find the sheep and they’re, they’re in kind of the, like this kind

of like upside down teardrop. That’s what’s known as the dragons thing. Oh, yes. Yes.

You’re gonna see it a lot. Yeah. What was that? It, when it’s the other way, it’s known as

the flame of Tarin. So it’s kind of like, you know, yin Yang light versus dark, that kind of

thing. Yeah. Who felt would land? Found that land? Found a bunch of dead sheep.

Yeah. Teardrop shape or whatever. Thank you. I totally forgot about that. I knew that had

more significance. Thank you. Well, while you’re talking about that, I’m gonna talk to theaudience a little bit and, and talk to you a little bit about this. So, going forward, Justin, I

think these drop at like midnight Friday, like Thursday, midnight, Thursday or midnight

Thursday. So, if we, you could record these Friday afternoon, that would be super dope.

Like, wake up, watch it around 10, get on a call, record it and get it out to the, the, the

fans as soon as possible. Should be easy enough for me. I, I was afraid it was gonna be

like Friday night at seven or something dumb like that. But yeah, if they’re just sitting

there all day Friday, that’d be perfect. Yeah, I might even try. I’ve been trying to watch

them Thursday nights even. All right, I’m gonna move through this. If you find anything

interesting in episode one still go for it. And of course they’ve got, yeah, the, the white

magic and the dark magic. Yeah. And it’s like, well, there’s really no white magic and

dark magic really. It’s just, there’s male and female, um, feminine and masculine. Yeah.

The females are usually stronger in like water and air and then earth is usually kind of a

shared strength and then men are fire, fire. And so we run. So with the, actually the, the

episode two starts with a white cloak, taking the ring often is to die and burning her. So

we know these guys are bad dudes and then they run into all of our heroes on the road

and start to question them and there’s the, the leader, the captain or whatever is, is

pretty satisfied with their quick story. But there is this guy called, he calls himself a

questioner. Yeah. So questioners are like the White Cloak version of uh detectives or

something except the religious zealots, they will torture or do whatever they think of it

as like Spanish inquisition, dude. Like they’ll do anything to get the answer they want.

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once they’re convinced that you’re a dark friend or whatever, it doesn’t matter. And the

thing about White cloaks is generally speaking, they call, I said I witches and are evil,

but some are definitely more like the, the, the captain, the white, the white guy with thewhite hair, the bearded dude. He’s like, oh, ok. You know, you better get yourself healed

by an eye to die. You know, I don’t really hold with the witches, but that’s the only way

you’re gonna live. You know, like he’s obviously just at least a reasonable dude doesn’t

hold with what they do with. The other guy is like, no, they’re evil. I want him dead. He’s

collecting the rings. You know what I mean? He’s like a bounty hunter all the FT style.

Yes. Yes. He has quite a collection of iso rings. Questioners are the dark half of the

hand of the light. They are also called the Hand of Light. The ironic part is, is that there

are all pretty much, at least in the book. So I’m gonna, I’m gonna move through this a

little bit quickly, but just because I, we could focus on some stuff. But I think the basics

is you can always go back. You know, the heroes are flee that once they walk away

from the white cloaks, you know, the questioner is like, I’m watching you and they leave

and yeah, that’s exactly what they’re running from Trolli and they’re willing to do

anything they can to get across and in doing so they basically end up sacrificing a nice

ferryman and his family in order to get across this river because Trolli, he didn’t listen.

Well, his family though, even if he did listen, though his family was gonna die because

he left his family on the Trolli side. I hate to be a devil’s advocate. But guess what? He

died too. Yes. And, and guess what? They’re all die. No, you’re right. You know, I think

they probably aren’t really interested in that town. They have bigger fish to fry and these

guys. So, yeah, they’re, they’re definitely looking at the big picture. They’re trying to

save the universe and this one dummy is uh not a big deal to them. Yeah, exactly. And

they keep running and they keep running and they end up getting to the Shaar lo goth,

the dead city. Thank you, Shaar Lo goth the dead city. And they, and by this time

Moraine has passed out, she’s just wasted from using too much magic and she’s

keeping everyone else healthy. Basically, she keeping everyone else energized. She’s

got her shoulders messed up. Iodide can’t heal themselves. So she’s hurt. She’s

exhausted from using magic. She’s exhausted from keeping everyone else up and

running. And so she finally gives out, they huck her over a horse and land, takes him tothe city of the dead says we have to go in here because the TRS won’t go in here but

don’t touch anything. So, do you think it’s a problem if TRS won’t go in there, if girls are

afraid of it? Should we just be like, hey, this is great. I don’t know, they’re afraid of a

lake. So, you know, maybe they’re not the most, you know what? That’s a good point.

All right. Yeah, that’s true. Yeah, we’re afraid of running water. So, you know, they’re

basically hippies. Oh, and one of them says that too, they say they won’t get another.

And I think it’s Matt that says that’s why they stink so bad. It is why they stink so bad

though. They’re like Bigfoot, dude. They just say they get their food, they’re gross.

They’re gross. Trolli are gross. Everybody, you need to know trials. I think I’m gonna add

that to the Wikipedia page right now and TRS are Truls are gross. So they um I forget,

do they spend the night, do they run from the, the, the Shaar Lago in this episode or

they run at like halfway through the night? Um So again, another one of those things

that like story progression. They actually kind of go treasure hunting, all three of them.

And, and, um, they come across this dude who, hey, come down here and help me

move my treasure out of here. I can’t carry it myself. You’re talking about the book right

now, right. Yeah. And they go down to this room filled with treasure. And that’s where

Matt snags the dagger unbeknownst to Rand and Parin. but he just gets it by himself in

this obviously. And, uh, they, you know, she w she knew they were going there and they

weren’t supposed to like, leave her like protection of her maid. She has to like a, like a

award spell to like kind of hide them. They kind of leave the area and then that’s, you

know how they’re gonna get in trouble. And then all of a sudden if, if there’s enough, like

if there’s enough Isis or fades, like they can make Trulli, they can push them, depending

on who’s pushing the fades you’ll see later. There’s fades are still real low on the, on the

corporate scale here and the evil. But, you know, they, they, they’ll push trucks across

water and push them, you know, into a place like Shaar lo goth. And that’s not really

happens. They just end up running from. So, so Matt goes on a midnight journey. We

don’t know how lucid he is during these, everyone’s getting visions. Everyone’s, that’sanother story progression moving forward like everyone’s getting vision. So everyone

you don’t know who’s, who, who’s the dragon who’s powerful because they’re all getting

visions and Matt’s kind of hearing whispers and that’s kind of what draws them

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them to the dagger and then the, the black death mold or whatever that they turned it in

comes out. Yeah, the shadow starts to follow them all over the place, chases them out.

Moraine wakes up during this and of course, gets mad at land for bringing them here

and then of course they get, this is where our heroes get separated. Yeah, which is

pretty, pretty dead onto the book. That’s pretty much where they get separated. Mashad

are, is more of like, uh, that’s what they call it. The, the Black Living Tar. It’s like a, just a

incantation of evil. It’s more of like a fog in the books which I think is they’ve probably

done a good job making it kind of visually scarier and it’s, it’s, you can see it on the

ground. It’s easier to, yeah, individualize and the dividing line. And I think one of the

reasons why they did it, you see it in the episode later, I’m sure we’ll talk about it when

Matt’s, you know, the, in, in the farmhouse, we talked about it and you could kind of see

the, the shadow kind of retreating into his mouth. Yes. And just kind of trying to, I think

they’re doing a good job. They’re trying to show you he’s kind of possessed, not all the

time, but it’s starting to affect his personality overall, the longer he holds the dagger. So

some of these people will be reunited in a minute. But right now we have 34 groups.

Land and Moraine Gwen and Perin. Right. Rand and Matt and Naive is on her own for

the moment. Yes, she’s following behind, basically trying to catch up. She’s gonna catch

up very soon. But that’s our, those are our four groups right now that didn’t get to

discuss strategy before they left. And so now they’re separated and trying to figure out if

the other groups would go home or continue to the White Tower. Right? Can I just tell

you, I thought he was eating her tongue at the beginning of this episode. The WhiteCloak dude, I was like, is he eating her tongue going full cannibal arm? And it’s like a, a

pigeon bird? It Yeah, but I was like, what the, what, what I thought for sure it was. Yeah,

I, I about part of some sort. There is something I want to talk about. OK. So in their

dreams, the fire eyed man and the bats come out of their mouth. Yo. Yeah. So in the, in

the book, you don’t really know like they’re doing right now, you don’t know who’s gonna

be the dragon. They’re all having this kind of like really shitty dream and uh, this guy,

the fire eyed guy, he’s starts taunting and like, oh, you think the white power is gonna

protect you and this stuff? And that guy, he’s a real important part of the story. And pers

the only one who sees him, right, Billy Zane. Billy Zane. Billy Zane. I said, Billy Zane, B

Z and that, and the only person that’s seen him so far as parent in the, in the show,

right? Um I, I’m not sure, I think they’re all kind of having a version of the same dream

even though they’re not showing it because Matt starts talking about the bats and how

they’re crushing him and then ran kind of threw up the bat. So I think they’re having kind

of a version of the same dream. So I think they’re all and, and parent at one point, they,

they’re kind of talked about the dream and he says the man with the eyes of fire. So I’m

like, and they all just kind of like, look down. So I’m pretty sure they’re all having like a

version of that dream. OK? I, I’m, I’m probably jumping ahead a little bit, but let’s just so

I gwen obviously has some powers. She wants the wisdom, wants her to be her

apprentice. Uh naive, naive is, has some power. She’s a wisdom, she hasn’t been

properly trained, but she’s fairly powerful. Rand has a bad ass sword and is throwing up

bats. Um Perin has got a, a wolf, a wolf pack got a boo boo on his leg and then the

wolves start following him and then the wolves just lick it and give him a big doggy kiss

and then walk away from him with, with that knowing look and Matt is being consumed

by the blackness. Right? Good or bad. We don’t know yet. Well, and like the thing about

it is, is, I think the, you know, it’s like because Matt is actually a really good person and

it would have really just eaten him alive already, like within a day or two. But because

he’s actually a really good person and he has ran that cares about him. I think that’swhat kind of keeps him from like really losing it also. You said something I wanted. Oh,

so listening to the wind naive the wisdom generally in that part of the world, there’s not

a lot of iso die. But people who can channel and live become wisdoms usually because

they can listen to the wind because they have a power and you know, their, their herb

can work way too good and you know, their fever tea is, you know, working a day

instead of three and like everything just works a little too good. But nobody can figure

out why. And the reason why she’s kind of choosing a win is because they can feel the,

it’s like a force user can tell another force user type thing. Yeah. Yeah. Moraine can

smell it on her. I’m a nerd. Moraine can smell it on her. Yeah, you can smell it. And yes,

you’re, you’re, oh my God. Huge segue. My, my son, everybody, my six year old son. So

II I had, I found, I forgot we had an old Amazon fire, like the f, like a, a version one. And

I’m like, oh, this is perfect to put movies

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on because the only thing we buy on that is Kelly finally gets tired of renting Disney

movies. Of course. Now we have Disney Plus, but like the same Disney movie. Yeah.

And so once she rents, once she spends $50 renting it, she finally buys it for $8. And so

that’s what we have on it. So I’m like, oh, cool. I’ll fill this up. But I had put some stuff on

it for my trip to Seattle. So I was deleting all of my stuff on it and then I put a bunch of

stuff on there for Cormick to watch and then, but one thing wouldn’t delete. I’m like,

whatever. You know, it’s got tangled and Incredibles and, and, and Zootopia. Like he’ll

watch one of those. We drive all the way home from Carmel. Three hours, we get home.

We go. Cormick goes, oh, my movie just ended. We go, oh, perfect. What did you

watch? He goes, I don’t know. And we’re like, what do you mean? You don’t know, like

you just finished, like, was it a cartoon? Was it, like, just take a minute and think about

it. He goes, I don’t know. I don’t know. And I’m just like, what the f, it was really good. Sohe gets the tablet out and he opens it up and the one movie I couldn’t delete, he goes

deep throat. I don’t know what, I don’t know what it is. Cl, er, KS, I, a Clerks Two. Yes.

My six year old nephew watched Clerks two. That one is exponentially worse. The third

one, the donkey show. Oh God. So a good kid because he just doesn’t even got, he just

knows that there was some funny jokes. Yeah, he’s just like, oh, fuck a movie buffin,

man. Let’s do this. So that’s my son, everybody and obviously, uh so great. All right. So

now that I’m done with that, I’ve been excited to tell you that all week. Oh, sorry, man.

Sort of break. How was your Thanksgiving? Half times over? We’re moving into the

third quarter. So nine Naive finds land and moraine, she apparently tracks land. She

hasn’t really explained how she’s done that yet, but they, they set it up, that land should

be impossible to follow. And she’s just like he went that way and sneaks up behind, not

only finds him but sneaks up behind and puts a blade to his throat. Yeah. Which like

he’s not just just, you know, for anybody who’s watching wondering, he’s not being nice

like that should never happen. And so the two rivers folks, uh, you know, our heroes,

they’re notoriously, you know, they’re woodsman, they’re farmers. So they’re all pretty

good at tracking. Like Karen is a really good tracker, especially once, you know, he

really starts getting in tune with the wolves. He can smell good and, but they’re all really

good trackers and naive father, I believe, was like a, you know, a really good woodsman

hunter. And he taught her before he did. I don’t know if they’ll ever cover that in this

show. So that’s why I’m saying I got a hunch. Her tracking is gonna come back and

they’re gonna have to explain it at some point. This is where a Gwen and Parin are

followed by. So now we have three packs. So now that naive has been, uh, she’s come

up with the moraine and l we now have three groups and she says she tells l to take

her, I forget, did she say take me to the White Tower or take me to my friends? She

says something like I’ll slit your throat if you don’t tell me where they are right now or

something real dark, actually. Yeah. Yeah. She’s not, she’s, I mean, we’re at the end of

episode four and she has not loosened up yet. She is still, you know what she’s in thatand that’s good. But also they’re, they’re actually kind of toning her down a little bit

because she’s, um, you know, if things go the way, like, she ends up being one of the

most powerful female channelers and she changes the way because, like, they don’t,

I’m sure they’ll talk about it later. But I wanna get, I wanna, I wanna draw people in

because I want them to know what’s coming. Yeah. In a way that won’t ruin it. And what

they’re showing is that the age of legends when the dragon existed, like there were

things called Joe Cars that were kind of like cars. They know there was no famine

because they use the power and the, the, the song, uh you know, there was a song that

people sang and you’ll meet some people who sing to trees and can make things out of

the trees when they sing to them and shit like that and all that has been lost in the

breaking of the world. And so there’s a lot of things that could have been done with the

power, like people could fly and people could do stuff and all these talents. One of them

a big one and I really can’t wait because there’s no way they tell the story without it and

they can travel with the power. But no one in this age so far has learned how to do it

because no one’s strong enough turns out they can’t do it because it’s real easy. For

men to do it because of the way sighting works. And it’s really hard for females to do it

because of the way side art works. It requires an extreme amount of the power for

females and not so much

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for men because men just kind of use the power and drill a hole in the pattern from, you

know, Seattle to Everett and you’re there or Seattle to New York and you’re there. And

females have to like, like, really, they can’t just rip a hole in the pattern because they’re

just not strong like that. They have to kind of like weave, you know why, you know why

Justin, why? Because men are penetrators. That’s, I mean, I think that’s kind of the, you

know, unspoken like thing. But yeah, you guys just poke at things until it goes through.So, so music is a big deal in this whole show so far. Like they’re, they’re, they’re, they’re

laying it in nice and soft. But you, I can tell that music is gonna be a big deal and that

should be either good, really good or really bad for someone who’s read the books,

depending on how they play it. So everyone has, they’re all just traveling to directions,

they’re all arguing about, well, not arguing but mostly discussing where to go. Yeah,

everybody’s kind of like licking their wounds recovering from like the travels of Winter

night, getting separated at the chan. Go Perin and I Gwen are, they’re tracked by w

what seems to be just wolves? That’s what we’re kind of led to believe as the watcher.

But then eventually a pack of dog, or is it, or is it, do the people protect them from the

dogs or the people and the dogs together when they finally? So the dogs are with the

people, the wolves are their own thing. Oh, ok. Ok. So wolves are chasing parent and a

Gwen and then eventually the travelers find them and kind of chase the wolves off.

Right. The traveling people and travelers are, um, they’re the tinkers, they’re looking for

the song and that’s, that’s part of the things from the breaking. They had a song that

was because they, they sang, they, they sang to crops to make them grow and, um,

they, you know, so, I mean, like it was, they were a part of, they, they would sing while

the eye to eye channeled to the crops and stuff. They just, they, everybody kind of

worked together in the breaking and now after the breaking they were kind of like the

servants of the eyes to die did no violence. And then their kind of beliefs have gotten a

little twisted. But like you will see the, like they’re the most peaceful people and you will

find out of point, the most boring people in this show. They were once one together and

then they broke apart because of philosophy. I would call them if, if I had to put them in

the, the world we currently live in. They’re the Romani of our world. One of the kids, one

of the travelers is very tongue in cheek about his family’s life and he knows what other

people say about them. And so he’s taken it back. So, Matt and, and find a little town.

Do you remember what it’s called? Um, you know what, I don’t know what it’s called in

this, they call it, it’s not a town, it’s something crossing. Oh, yeah, you’re right. Yeah, it’sjust a, some kind of a mining, a dirt mining, I think is what it sounds like. Yeah. So

they’re in this town. The, the bartender, she takes a shine to both of them actually,

which is, which is always curious. And then the gleeman, the gleeman is a, someone

who apparently goes town to town to sing. Maybe there’s more to him than that kind of

like a historian. Think of him more like, you know it. Oh, that’s right. He does say he’s a

historian. Yeah. You’re familiar with the term Bard? Oh, at all. If you’re that nerdy, think

of him as a bard. He was once a court bard and actually was kind of engaged to a

queen at one point. She’ll come in later. Hi, his story if they decide to go that way. And

he’s, he’s shifty but nice. Not shifty. Um, there’s something, the game of houses. It’s um

kind of like think Game of Thrones, political intrigue. Everything you do or don’t do is a

message whether you want it to be or not. Yes. And, but he’s just a, he’s a solid dude

that you know, he and uh he talks about his uh they just, no, it’s more of a secret in the

book. But his, his nephew Owen obviously could channel at one point and he um, I

believe in the books was caught by the is to die and gentled and then killed himself. But

I think he says he killed himself in this first. So in this, in what we see, the, the

bartender eventually traps Rand. No. Yes. Rand in a room and he thinks she’s gonna kill

him. But she says, no, I’m waiting for Max. I don’t know which one of you it is, but I’m

gonna take you both to the dragon or both to the dark lord. What does she call him?

Well, she says I’m gonna, the great Lord of the dark is, that’s what dark, that’s how, you

know, that give away from a dark friend if they don’t say the dark one or something like

that, you know, that they’re probably at least leaning that way. Rand breaks down an

unbreakable door. Right. And you know what I believe that that might be kind of one of

the first time that he channels in the books. He, when they’re running, you know,

moraine goes to all the horses and she’s channeling to the horses to give them

strength. And he gets to Bella Rand’s old horse, which wa is riding and she doesn’t

need any kind channeling because Rand’s wanted, she’s like, I can’t let Bella fall

behind. She’s the slowest horse. And so Rand’s been channeling without knowing it andthen they get separated and then

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Matt and Rand are trapped in a similar situation. Not exactly the same. And then

suddenly lightning strikes and breaks the wall out from where they’re at and then Rand

gets really sick after that. Oh, ok. Yeah. So if Rand gets really sick after this, then I think

that’s gonna be probably kind of the first time in the show that he channels. But they’re,

they’re all, they, these kids all have some powers. So the gleeman after he makes, he

makes friends with Matt after they kind of, they kind of leave the bar in unwelcome

terms. Matt and the gleeman have a little conversation, um, over a dead body and kind

of make nice. And then they go their separate ways and then Rand and Matt are

fighting the bartender. Wait, let me stop you. The, the dead body isn’t just a dead body.

He’s an IE oh, and they’re very important to the story, uh, while they’re running away

the gleeman, Matt and Rand. Matt is having some trouble with his horse. His horse is a

little finicky with him. And the gleeman eventually talks to Rand and says, like there’s

something up with your dude. Yeah. The gleeman thinks that he can channel because

of his nephew because he’s starting to act crazy. He’s thinking, oh, he’s touching the

power, he’s going mad already. And this is where we learn the glee man’s nephew.

When they took his power away, his nephew killed himself because once you’ve

touched the power, regular life is boring. Kind of like you lose your will to live this scene

right here is from a filmmaking perspective. I hope we see more stuff like this. When

they, when they kill the bartender and she’s bleeding into a puddle of water, it starts to

move and you’re following the puddle of water and you’re not sure where to go. The

symbol of the eye to eye. But no, but no, but they fade. The, the, the puddle goes in the

same shape and they fade it into the next scene which is trees and it’s just ok. I’m

watching it right now. It’s just a glorious. Oh, it doesn’t, it doesn’t mean anything to theshow, but it’s just as from a filmmaking perspective. It’s beautiful. Yeah, that’s a lot.

They’re doing a lot of stuff like that, which I love. So, ok, we’re at the end of three low

game pops up. He is the most recent person. He has declared himself the dragon, he

can channel, he’s very strong, but he still is like untrained and, and a drop. Which one’s

low gain do we see? Does he’s the guy in the cage? 0000, gosh. Yeah. Yeah. I’m still,

I’m still at late Leandre. The red, the red sai good casting on her. She’s awesome. So,

yeah, so we see now who they’re, at least the I sai, or at least at this point suspecting is

the red dragon, you know, some that they walk a real fine line, especially with the white

clothes. It’s like, are they zealots or are they terrible people? Well, and there’s a

moment in, we’ll, we’ll get to it in more detail, but there’s a moment at the end of

episode four where I thought moraine was gonna go dark like I thought right away it

was just gonna be like, oh, this woman we’ve been following for three episodes is bad,

bad news. Like they, they really hold a pause on her face and make you think like she’s

gonna do something dark. What’s his name again? Sorry. What’s the, the, the not red

dragon guy, Logan? All right. I’m gonna take another pee and then we’re gonna do

episode four. Yeah, Logan abl. All right. So we start in episode four with a quick back

story of uh Logan where he is destroying Gilden or Gild. An as I thought for 15 years,

that’s how I’m gonna, and I worked so hard to figure out right, because I didn’t want to

even be saying it wrong in my head when I was, I used to take notes and I don’t know if

she’ll show up in the book, but there’s a character named Min and I think she will. Oh, I

used to take notes on the first time that she meets kind of our heroes. She has about all

of them and she tells you all of them. And so I wrote them all down so I could figure him

out when I came across him in the books later. It was like, I kept these notes for like, 10

years. Oh God, I wish I had those notebooks. I know. But, yeah, he’s destroying Gil Dan

or Gilden, sorry for sure. And, um, they kind of, they, they don’t really tell you this in the

books. They’re just like he’s gathering armies. They don’t tell you how. So I actually

really love this, the fact they show you because little game, believe it or not. He is a veryimportant part of the story even though it seems like he’s gonna disappear fast if they

keep him. And he is a very noble. Very good character. Yeah, he’s not a pure destroyer.

Like he’s, he’s, he’s doing if he’s doing some un unhealthy things to get what he wants.

But in his heart he just wants people to join his car. It’s, it’s like, you know, uh, uh, let

me put it to you this way. Uh, greater, good style. Moraine kind of off as dark sometimes

because of the simple fact that she knows what’s at stake because of the foretelling.

She was there when she was a novice and saw

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and she knows what it means and she knows that this guy is not the guy, even though

she’s never met him, you know, she just knows and she’s also willing to like sinking the

fairy. Yes. Like right there, it’s like she’s like, look, I’m not a bad person. I would rather

not have to do this this way. But I will. And she said that in the book, she said it dead

ass to the, when she figures out the kid is a dragon, she’s like, hey, I’m gonna do

everything I can to make sure you succeed, but I’ll kill you myself before I let you go

over to the dark one. And she’s, and, and a lot of people, she’s a big believer in the

wheel and she’s just like, it’ll be back. They’re kind of like the blues are kind of like the

Obi Wans. They, they, they could fight, they’re diplomatic, they do everything to kind of

keep the world moving. The, the keep the wheel of time spinning, dude, the way they

are showing you kind of like how, when he first the channel you can see it’s kind of

white like moraines and then the blackness creeps in around it. Oh, I missed that.

That’s the taint of sine. That’s the dark ones touch from him fighting back and you can

see it the way they’re visualizing it. It’s kind of how I, when they explain it, you, you ran

like, he’s like, it’s like dipping your toe in a sewage pool or something, you know, but the

water underneath is crystal clear and the most delicious thing ever. And so the way

they’ve made it look, it’s, I really like and even the way they kind of visualize themadness of the person kind of whispering in his ear, that’s like a, you know, shadow

person. So like they’ve really visualized the madness that because it, it manifests

different with everybody. But the way that it’s shown him, it’s almost like his conscience

to, you know, but it will still go bad eventually because the longer you touch it, the more

insane you’ll go. But to see him bring this guy to his side because of mercy is cool and

healing and his cool. Definitely something that’s added that I really love and he thinks

the dragon Logan thinks he’s a dragon. He even has conversations in the books with

Rand and he’s like, you know, it could have what’s to say it wasn’t me, whatever he is,

he’s powerful and the eyes to die have to work in teams in staggered teams in order to

keep him at bay. And they do a really good job visually of, you know, the of the white

magic in encasing him and every once in a while his black magic will puff up and the

white magic around it has to force it down and they have a lot of conversations with

each other about like how this is the hardest thing. This is like the marathon upon

marathons of casting power that they’ve ever had to deal with. Yeah, I hate to be a

control dick. Dude get used to saying Sine and Sidar if you can s oh instead of white

and black just because dude, I don’t want people to get the wrong idea. They have dark

magic because then they’re gonna get this feeling that like it’s not, it’s kind of like the

forest, dark and light. It’s the great Jedi thing. It’s like it’s really about which one’s which

Sine is, the man is the masculine. I’ll call it. Yeah. Male half, you can say male half

because it’s really supposed to be two halves of a equal part. Sar is feminine. Yeah.

And the reason why the females aren’t as I love it. Nerd. I’m such a nerd. Reason why

females are becoming less and less strong over time is because they’re calling the

ability out of society by gentling all the men who can channel. They’re like, what if we

already gentled the dragon? What if we already took his power? And one of the things

instead of like um one of the things I noticed that they not that I give a shit about

passing or whatever. They, when they’re doing stuff with the power they call it weaving

goes along with the wheel of time type thing. Weve the wheel wheels, whatever. Yeah.The, the intro to this show is pretty cool. It’s a giant weaving wheel that’s making a

massive tapestry. Yeah. And there’s seven, is there seven iso die in the finish at the end

of the opening scene, I assume. Yeah, there’s seven aja, There’s seven different like,

you know, uh they’re all kind of dedicated to their own thing. The greens are for fighting

the last battle. The blues are, you know, diplomats. Yeah. So what is there? There’s

green, red, blue, green, red, blue, yellow, white, gray, maybe there’s six and they talk

about the seventh aja is the black aja white. Yeah, white are logic. Like they just say

logic, everything is logic. Philosophy. Browns, browns, browns are scholars and like

librarians, yellows are dedicated to healing. OK. All right. That was a unnecessary

tangent at this point of the thing. I, well, mostly I wanted to know if you can remember

what all their powers are. That’s why I asked it. Yeah. And it’s not that their power is just

kind of like there’s like their, you know, OK. So in theory when they, when they turn 20

they can go any direction they want to and then whatever they decide to make, it

doesn’t matter. It’s more about figuring out how to channel and do the right things and

passing all their tests. Sometimes you might have until you’re 60. But they’re probably

already leaning one way, like they probably specialize in. Usually. It’s kind of personality.

Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, so during this, you know, while they’re, they’re keeping lo gain at

bay there’s lots

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of conversations going on. You know, the red ones want to gentle him. Yeah. And, or

Leandre wants to quote unquote, gentle him. Moraine because of how powerful he is.

Moraine is pretty convinced that he’s the one. No, no, no. She’s a little nervous at first,

but she’s kind of just being, keeping everything to herself because she doesn’t want to

give away that she knows he’s not the 10. Oh, ok. Because she actually goes in and

talks to him and she’s like, dude, she goes, I had, you know, when I first saw you, I sawhow, how you were strong and I, you know, kind of gave me a second but she goes,

dude, what you have is a drop. That’s right. Ring torrent that the dragon will be. And

that’s the conversation that it’s. Do they foreshadow? That’s why I really think they’re,

they’re planning on doing it and start to finish because they’re foreshadowing. So stuff

that’s so far forward, you know, that I don’t even want to give away. But that’s one of the

things that rand and, and, and Logan just have a quick conversation. He’s like, how do

you know, I wasn’t the one and then Rand goes and does something channeling wise

and Logan goes. 00, that’s how, while they’re, while the iso are doing that the war, all of

their warders are outside, uh, just chatting with you. You know, it’s, it’s just like, it’s like

any Bob, like no one on the planet understands these people like another warder. So

they finally get to hang out and, and have, you know, uh uh have circle jerks which it

looks like they honestly might do when the camera is not looking. Well, actually some,

yeah, some of them. OK. The green iso usually have multiple water. The reds usually

have none really has one and they’re usually just their body man. You know, they, they,

they fight, they protect, they kill them. It usually if the wars are gonna be involved with

their eyes to die, it’s a green or a blue. OK. And greens usually have multiple orders and

it’s, there’s usually a lot of that. So they’re, they don’t really talk about the books. They

just kind of imply like, yeah, you know, they all just gonna sleep together and you know,

whatever goes down goes down. So they all fight for the same cause. So that’s, that’s

that. And then we’ve touched on it a little bit but then we’ve got Perin and Iwin are with

the travelers and they’re, they’re learning about them and their, their passive nature and

how Tinker crap. I would say that again. Silly tinker crap. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, you

know, there’s like, how do you never war? And they’re like, well, actually a lot of us have

war, like, war before. Like, that’s how you usually get to this point is you see that you get

sick of it and, and Perin gets that look on his face because he’s seen the worst part of

battle by accidentally stabbing his girlfriend in the gut and killing her. Yeah. So he’s

getting that twinkle in his eye of like, yeah, maybe I’m really trying to figure out wherethey’re going with that. I’m trying to think is like parent seems to be kind of a solemn kid

in the books. He, like he said, he, oh, he thinks about everything because he doesn’t

want to hurt anybody and he’s already living away from his family and you know what

he is, you know what he is, Justin. But he’s a lone wolf. No, dude. And he’s, and I guess

because like I said in the books, you know, like he has his own reason for sorrow but it

doesn’t come along so much later and then Rand and Matt and Tom. Yes. Tom

Maryland, the gleeman. Is he the gleeman? Ok. I, I, for some reason I saw Tom and I

forgot what the glee man’s name was. They’re just one and we kind of, we kind of

already talked about this too. Yeah, they’re just getting away from the town where they

just stabbed the bartender and Matt’s having some trouble with his horse and the

gleeman starting to look at him a little cross eyed. Yeah. Having seen this before and

his nephew, they’re keeping low gain in check. I really dig the way they’re showing the

weaves fall over him and him trying to, like, trying to break a shield. You know, they, they

describe it as this kind of web, you know, with certain points of light and each per, you

know, like nimbus is a, you know, kind of like the set of that sister’s power and he’d go

in and, like, force his power into the little knot and just burst it. Yeah, he’s trying to take

advantage of him. Like, because if the women are not focused, if they start to chit chat

about. Yeah, that’s the thing. If you’re not on it, like 100% 24 7 someone who’s like him

is just sitting there. It’s like the velociraptor testing the fucking thing. Yeah. And, um, it’s

really cool how they show him just like flex and flex and flex until he breaks the shield.

It’s like, it’s really what they, I think they did that because Rand does that in a really

much more dramatic way in the books later on. I think they’re trying to show what

people are capable of. Yeah, which is super cool. Ok. So Logan and I see he’s flexing

they’re like, what’s up? Well, and like, let’s not forget that Leandri is like, let’s let him

escape so we can just gentle him right here and we don’t have to, you know, go through

Tower Law and have a trial and everything. It’s too dangerous and she’s just trying to

get her away because she hates me the channel and yeah, she’s trying it because,yeah, but if they, if, if, if he, like I said, if he over FEX on him, they have the right to kill

him or to at least remove the demon. And I think the, the,

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the one question is very pointed. She’s like, what if we already gentle the dragon and

you see Leandro’s little hint of a smile probably. Oh man, I really love the casting. Like

the casting. They’ve pretty much nailed all the way around, but some of them are better

than others. I really like Matt’s character. I like Matt’s look. I hope they develop his

character. Seems like they are parent is the one I just, you know what? Uh and we’ll go

deeper on this fans out there. We’ll have a, we’ll, we’ll take a deep dive into these actors

and where you know him from probably end of the season, we’ll sit there and go

through and, you know, obviously anybody can email us anything they want us to talk

about because I can talk about anything you want. I’ve done deep dives on just about

everything. And I love the fact that I get to compare it to something and talk about it with

other nerds. It’s amazing as my poor wife, I try to talk to her about it. She’s like my

fucking head hurts. Stop talking about that. We’re gonna take deep dives whether you

like it or not audience. So if you want to help direct these, yeah, he is. What to do. Well,

take your lead to man, the, the, the casting for Tom and I do love the songs. The song is

a big thing to tell the history of the world that they live in, I think. And Matt’s a big singer

as well. Usually God, she just has those cheekbones le dude. And when they describe

her in the books, oh, she’s perfect with her. She, she could almost be pretty if it wasn’t

for her pouty angry mouth. I mean, I, those cheekbones that is not makeup. She is just,

she has a pretty harsh face. Like she’s a very severe face so kind of getting more and

more like turned on by it. It’s just so, it’s so naturally chiseled. I can’t help but be

impressed by it. She’s Eva, who’s Mary Co, what’s her name in Harry Potter? Do you

know who that is? Who she is in that? What’s the name? Uh Now I can’t get it torefresh. Why are you not Mary Cattermole? I don’t have a clue. Probably somebody

who works in hogs meat or something when I was in town. Oh, I think she works in, um,

shut up. Does she work in the, the, the candy shop where the kids go and hogs me or

does she work in, like, the dog? And I think that’s who, who, who her Hermione, um, uh,

uh, uh, that’s who Hermione impersonates. Yeah. Yeah. They go into the Mystery of

Magic. Yeah. Ministry of Magic. That’s the word I’ve been looking for. Yeah. Wow. Very

cool. Yeah. So Lander is definitely pushing to try to, like, oh, you know, she just wants a

gentle little game and the other, she’s like, no, we need to go through, you know, the

process of it all. And then you get to the, like you said, you get to the, the dream

sequences kind of at the end and I think they’re trying to really show how Matt Perin

and around Matt and Perin are connected because they, the true to Veer and they’re

the really strongest ones and they’re connected in a way that, like if later in the story, if

they even, like, think about, if someone’s like, hey, what’s up with Rand? Have you seen

him? They get like colors and swirls in their head and they can see exactly what the

other person is doing at that moment. Um, so I think that’s kind of what they’re trying to

establish in the dreams were kind of like parents there. But he can’t hear him and, and

Matt’s walking kind of back behind him in the back and they can’t hear each other, you

know, or anything. The gleam, uh, Tom Matt and Rand, they, they come across this farm

and they’re just, at one point they’re just gonna sneak in and sleep there and not tell

anybody. And then Rand is like, why don’t we just ask? And then by then the owner of

the farm puts a bow and arrow in their face and Matt’s got his hand on his dagger. The

gleeman is just kind of like, uh, uh, what’s going on here? And Rand just talks everyone

down. He says, hey, you don’t wanna kill us. We don’t want to kill you. Like, if we wanted

to kill each other, someone would be dead. Can we just have a place to sleep tonight?

And he’s like, fine as long as you clean the out of my horse trailer or my, my horse barn

and everyone has to work for it. They’re always cleaning out of a horse barn to get a

good night’s sleep. Well, and it’s, I know it’s, there’s a lot of these things and like,probably read way too much into it, but a lot of these things, like little things how Rand,

like he doesn’t quit when he goes to work for the bartender lady. Like he cuts the whole

pile of wood, you know, like he does everything all the way the right way for the right

reasons and they’re trying to show his character as well. Like, hey, I’d rather not have to

fight. I would rather just, you know, make everything good for everybody and they’re

really trying to establish a character, I believe in like how people fall good or bad, you

know, and because on the other side, Matt’s always bitching and doing as little as

possible and trying to talk his way out of it. Um, well, especially since you got the

dagger. Matt was kind of already kind of lazy anyway, like that one doesn’t work now. It’s

more like I’d rather be doing anything. Yeah. When we meet, when we first meet Matt,

he’s trying to gamble for beer money basically. Yeah. Well, and like in the, in the books,

he’s like trying to get RAND to go check out this badger that he caught and he wants to

let loose in someone’s house or something like that instead of putting Tam’s Brandy

and then Sam comes out, he’s like, hey Matt, you came to help. He’s like, uh,

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no, I sure, sure, why not? Sure. He’s like, then we’re gonna go get that badger, ran, ran.

Like, so they’re definitely adulting this up a little bit and I could totally see why. Yeah, if

the audience was all 15 in 1990. Well, and you got to think that you better not piss off

the hardcore fans like me that have been there since 15 so it’s like you got to do it in a

way that works. And so far I’ve been very s 00, this is where the, the Tom talks to Rand.

It says your buddy there, I’ve seen this before. So while they’re laying there and falling

asleep, Rand turns over to Matt and just says, hey, dude, I’m, I’m here for you, man. We

could talk about anything. Um And then I forget that Rand actually wakes up from a

dream. He like Rand kind of follows Matt in a dream state. That’s the kind of the part I

was talking about. It’s the world of dreams. And so like people who can channel, cankind of go in there and like look at people’s dreams, they can mess with people um all

kinds of stuff, you’ll find out more about it later. But I think that’s what they’re kind of

trying to establish is that these guys are so powerful, but when they dream, they go into

this world, a dream that’s not just like a normal dream, which is also why he can kind of

see them. Rand is automatically dreaming I believe and knows that he’s dreaming in

this and you can see them because he is the one who can channel Matt, he’s back in

the waking world walking with the dagger because his presence is stamped in there by

the dagger. So he can see what he’s doing. And he’s kind of like where is he going, he’s

just walking through a field or he’s not walking through a field, he’s going and he’s

going to the farm house or whatever. And him and Tom, you know, they wake up and

he’s gone. So in this dream, Rand sees Parin stabbing an ax into a body. I don’t think

he can actually see who the body is, but we know who it is. I’m guessing it’s his lady. I

don’t know because parents is dreaming of having nightmares about killing his wife over

and over again. That’s the way I took it. But I don’t know. That’s right. I forgot about this.

Then the flaming. So, so Rand does see flaming eyes grabs, they call him balls of men

right now. Part of the dark. That’s when Rand, that’s when actually Tom wakes Rand up

because Rand is sitting there screaming, they realize Matt’s gone. So they run to the

farmhouse and Matt standing there with a crazy look on his face and the black coming

out of his mouth, which they’re going extensive, but they’re just trying to show you that

his actions are kind of being pushed by the dagger right now. And they’re kind of trying

to make you think that his, he killed the family, I think. But that’s not what happened.

And he points the dagger up to the balcony. He’s like I see you and then a F is this a

fade? Yeah, this is the eyeless fade. Yeah, I can remember. This is a fade or the, the

flaming eyes. Yeah. No, that’s a fade. And like, basically one of the things that, even

though Shaar logo was evil, the ones that they, they weren’t evil so much as they kind

of ate each other out of paranoia. But they hated the shadow. The reason why they

hated the shadow that, that drove the paranoia. So the one thing that it hates and willdo more than try to eat people and possess them is anything related to the shadow. It

wants to feast on. And so I think that’s what Drew Matt to the farmhouse was the fade

beam. They’re killing the people. What does Matt say? He says, I see you fade or

something like that. So Tom stays and might be dead is, is someone who has watched

television before. If you don’t see the dead body, he’s, he’s not dead. Yeah. If you don’t

see the dead body, you’ll, you’ll, they’ll come, they’ll catch back up and how the fade

moves right here from the one shadow. And then suddenly he like, kind of materializes

on the ground in the shadow, on the ground. Yeah, they can move from shadow. See

how he just disappears back into the shadow too. They’re like, they’re like, they can do

that. They fade in and out. Get it. Yep. They, they can like slide from shadow to shadow

real easy. And then we, so this is when we finally get to the point where the iso die are

distracted. Well, the word uh land and Naveen have a moment where they kind of

connect over a prayer. So Naveen is starting to let her let her guard naive. Goddamn it.

Nine eve nine eve like nine inch nails. Nine, 99 times nine e nine E nine eve and land

are God. It’s so funny. They give the such just one syllable. I guess that goes along with

the, the, the whole book that boys are simple, dumb creatures and girls are beautiful.

Well, no, and everybody’s got like you when you get, if you have a certain, if you’re a

merchant or if you’re something, you get like an owl at the end of your name. Like, uh,

or if you know you were, you know, like you get, you get an owl and by your name or an

extra thing on your name, like Land’s full name is and man drugger. Oh, that’s a

mouthful. Ok. Nine even land. They, so, yeah, nine E is starting to kind of let her guard

down a little bit and then, oh, that’s right. I forget the army approaches. I forget that,

that, uh, Logan’s army starts approaching the camp. Oh, right. Right. Right. And they,

they can kind of be like what’s still and I think he somehow draws on their, does he

draw on their power or is it

01:15:00just a distraction enough for him? To get one up. Yeah, it’s just a distraction enough for

them to be like, what’s that? Boom? Oh, you know, they have to, like, lose some of their

focus, you know, the one thing I don’t love as much as all the, the, a lot of hand

movements but I guess you gotta, you know, when you’re casting or whatever, when

they’re weaving. Oh. Did in the book, did they just stand stone still? Uh, it’s a little more

force user is more kind of like a point and a, uh, you know, yeah, a thing. But, I mean, I

guess it, you know, it depends on anybody. Well, I think it works just because they have,

have to, they have to cinema it and that’s why they’ve done a really, well, not just that,

but they, like, they have to build up the power. And so I think a couple extra hand

motions to like, channel, right? All of that. And what I also think doing a really good job

of showing how much you can do with the power, how strong it can be. But they’re also

just, they’re not even scratching the surface of what people can actually do by the end

of it. It’s crazy. So they can kill all of the, the, the approaching warriors and then all of

the is Toai run in to where I think all, most of them, I shouldn’t say all of them. I think

some of them do have to stay outside and, and fight. But most of the iso, I go into the

cave where they’re holding Logan and they like, channel into a channel into a, well, first

of all, he explodes and he like, shoots these black, these sine, he shoots, well, it’s kind

of the cage that he’s in and it’s like, uh, it’s more like when he, when he, when he

breaks it, the cage explodes. And so it’s, I think, well, the only two that can’t be healed

are the two that get hit with that blast. Oh, the people who get hit with the, the, the, the

aftermath and get hit by projectiles are fine. But the people that I’ll have to watch it

again, it might just be like a, they’ll use like, a lot of times they’ll use like air and they’ll

make it. Well, yeah, see, he busted the shield right there. He was just looking for the

weak spot and when they only left him too, he busted it, but then he melts that whole

cage down. Right? He does melt the, ok. Ok. Ok. So, yeah, what he does is basically

trying to escape and it’s like little, yeah, siding, projectiles. They’re made of air. Probably

more likely than not. But, yeah, they’re doing a much better job of this. Like, the poweris more understated. There are movements and it makes more sense though. I can’t

channel unless she’s angry. Oh, really? Well, that’s just because she’s, she’s new and

she doesn’t know how people who learn in the wild. Like, like I said, a lot of times once

the people touches the power for the first time, they get really sick. And then what

happens is if you live, you usually find a way to kind of like mentally block yourself. She

gets angry when people are sick and she gets mad when people are killing each other.

And then her whole thing is she’s a healer. She wants to heal. And so when she gets

mad enough about healing something she can channel, even though her first

channeling is kind of destructive. Well, no, she’s healing people. Actually, she heals that

and she is, she heals up until now the, the iodide we’ve seen heal people. It’s a very

pointed, I can heal this one wound at a time and she just lays down a dome of healing

power. I mean, and not to mention damn near brings land back to life. Na’s whole

mission in life is to heal. That’s all she wants to do. So after everyone gets healed, that’s

when they link up through Leandri or they are towards Leander is the leader and

everyone is channeling their powers into her and she just hits Logan well, and that’s the

right, the right thing. There’s what they call they link into a circle. Um And if there’s 13

and there usually it’s supposed to be at least 13 to cut someone off from the power

unless you’re really, really strong because they’ll form a circle of 13 and then someone

will be in charge of that circle and they kind of use everyone else as kind of a battery.

Ok? And plus when you’re getting all those different powers too, that’s gotta be super

powerful. I do like in this battle the way that they’re, you like the way that their

movements and they’re using the power like in a way it’s like, that’s the thing about I

said I is that they’re supposed to be like kind of judicious in there. When they’re in the

middle of a big battle. They can’t just use all their, their energy up one. It’s like they have

to find ways to utilize the power without drawing so deeply on it. Logan doesn’t care.

Watch Andon right now. She’s starting to do it. Her, her cheeks start to glow. Oh Yeah.

Like if you do too much, you also, you could cut yourself off, you could burn yourselfout. There’s also a reason why she’s not afraid. Oh dude, he breaks his axes, bro. He’s

because he pierces the shield with his axes and then he shatters the axes. Yeah. When

he break, he pierces the shield just a little bit that enables Logan to channel into his ax

because it’s inside the shield and this, yeah, this is where it pays off at her and land had

a moment before. But moraine like one in the gut too. She heals moraine right there too.

And Leandre shoulder, like, she heals three different people because her way of

healing is different.

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Most, like you said, they’ll take two pieces of the power and they’ll put it right into the

wound and, like, knit it almost like a surgeon. She just like, yeah. Uh, and just fixes it

like, like a God. Everyone in my zone is now healed. Yeah, pretty much dude. Oh yeah.

There’s, there is a lot of uh cer energy coming out of him. Oh yeah, there’s a lot of,

there’s the all the girls 1234567. I think there’s 708 eight. I think she’s the eighth. I think

Leander is the four reds. So the one that dies here II I forgot to look. She got hit with the

straight up sine. Yeah, probably like air. They just made it black because it’s Cine. Yeah,

I think you’re right. I think there’s a total with Leander. 1234567890, there’s nine, there’s

four in the hallway. All reds. There’s two reds out here, one’s Leander and one’s

someone else and then there’s two greens. Oh, that’s right. So mostly all reds and they

did a good job of like showing how the power got ripped away from him and then he

starts crying immediately because he knows. Oh, guess what? Guess her not the

dragon because one of the things about the dragon is that there’s a lot of prophecies

he’s supposed to fulfill. So it ends on us. It ends on a fade out of naive because now we

know that she’s no joke. Yeah. And you see Moraine’s face right before that. Like what

you just did should not even possible. Yeah. You know, you stunned him while healing

three or four other people. One of them on the brink of death. So we’re gonna race tothe finish as much as I’d love to uh wax intellectual on this. We have plenty of time to do

that. I just wanted to give all you listeners out there, catch you up, catch us up, let you

know what we’re doing. You know, we’re gonna get way deeper only talking about one

episode next time and we’ve got a long off season. The Nerdy Dirty and one thing I

want to let the listeners know if you want more book talk, I’m not against that. I’m or less

or less if I need to or Yeah, I, I’m, I’m, I’m starting this off as a, you’ve only seen the

show. Um But if, if all of our listeners are just filthy dirty book readers and you wanna

get down and nasty, I’m into it, help us out. Let us know, let, let us know what you want.

More of, let us know what you want, less of where is my jest and anything you wanna

anything you wanna add real quick before I go, basically, just that and then when we’re

in the off season, like, you know, like you said, we can get as deep and dirty in the

books or you can kind of keep it focused on just what we’re seeing in the show and

what I think and we will definitely have some heavily spoiler labeled episodes of some

deep dives later on whether you want it or not. So. Well, if you don’t want that, you can

skip those episodes, they’ll be months, months, the months ahead, those will be off-

season stuff. Mostly I just want to get people who are as excited to talk about it as us

and tell them what they want us to talk about and then we can talk about it, tell us what

to talk about at Thank The Light at gmail.com. That is Thank The Light at gmail.com.

And if you’re into podcasts, which I got a hunch, you are. Check out what sounds

awesome.com. That is my little network of podcasts that I’m growing. Uh Since we know

you’re into TV and movie type things. Check out time pop where me and Ari and Scott

talk about a different time travel movie. We watch a time travel movie and then we talk

about a time travel movie. It’s awesome. If you want to get spiritual, all the answers is

great. If you like spirituality and fart jokes, all the answers is for you. I like both of those

things if you want to get ripped and, and have great information for building muscle and

your, your, uh, what do you call it, your nutrition and just great interviews with authors

and doctors who get ripped, they’re getting me ripped. I’m working with these guys.Check out to you TNT podcast that is TNT podcast and also one last thing, the Be

Brave podcast past where Kara and Patty talk to awesome women being brave, telling

awesome stories living through it and you can get strength just like the ice to die. You

can harness their power and take on the world and be brave real quick. All I mentioned

everyone’s name. I wanna mention all the answers. Katie Rubin Cassidy Brown, Truth

Nut Trends, Jesse Schmidt and Liam Bauer. I’m not on any of and just, and the best

thing about all of those shows is you don’t have to listen to Jin and you don’t even have

to listen to me and most of them, I’m all over time pop. I dip into A T A and TNT. I am

nowhere to be found. I’d be brave. So if you want people to be able to find you on the

social medias or anything, or do you want to keep that under wraps for now? Uh Yeah, I

mean, you know, I’m, I’m fatty, the chef uh 420 on Instagram and

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yeah, hit me up. It’s just my personal page. But yeah, go for it. Yeah. Hit him up about

this and just check, check out his Instagram because he has just started a whole new

chapter of his life and I won’t, I won’t spoiler it. Just check out the pictures and you can

tell that he’s on a hell of a journey. And uh and I, we all want to wish Lisa the best of

luck tomorrow, Lisa. Stay safe. We love you. Keep those tubes in. I, I, I’m sorry, you’re

gonna have to go through this, but I’m excited for what’s on the other side and big hugs.

Yeah, she says thank you. She has a probe in her nose or it’s in her throat. I guess it’s

in her butt, put a tube, put a tube in her butt. I, you know what, I’d rather have a tube in

like um, take some notes and then hop on and go d on episode five. All right, brother.

No. Take baby. Yeah, I am. Uh hm. You might want to cut this out eventually. It’s like I

think they’re doing that because they’re trying to mixed and edited by Desmond

mcneese for we mixed it LLC. Go to what sounds awesome dot com. I’m trying to hear

Desmond P so I don’t know if that’s good pod Podcast father, but I’m trying, I don’t knowif you heard that Thor is growling. He’s asleep though.

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