a lot more
Welcome everybody. I’m gonna keep this short and sweet. I think we do a pretty good
job as the episode progresses, kind of explaining things and what we’re doing and
where we’re going, all I wanted to do up top is just say that Justin was nice enough to
record this podcast while he was in a hotel room, caring for his, his wife was nice
enough to let him do it. Not that she wouldn’t be nice. She’s awesome. But so sound
wise, it’s only gonna get better from here. The sound is not terrible. It is just obvious he
is in a big hotel room with questionable internet. Please enjoy. Thank the light. There we
go. Hey, I hear you. Ah, you, well, then this is perfect. I’m gonna do an intro. I’m gonna,
I’m gonna chat with the audience real quick and then that will kind of clue you in. Then
as to where I’m going with this too. So we’ll try to keep this at two hours going forward.
They’re only going to be an hour. But since we’re talking about four episodes, I figured,
you know what, like it’s gonna be an hour and a half as we run through an episode and
just like not to, like you said, not to give a commentary per se. Just kind of like, OK, this
gives me stuff to talk about. Welcome to. Thank the light everybody. I am Desmond
mcneese, Justin Gaines will introduce himself in just a moment. He’s working on some
technical things, but I just wanted to welcome you to this new show that we’re doing
about the Wheel of Time. Amazon video movie, motion art series. Um I am very new to
this. This is the first I’ve really come into it. Justin has been a longtime fan of the books
and mostly I just wanna wanna give you guys a heads up this first episode, we’re gonna
be focusing on four episodes, so we’re gonna miss some stuff and that’s ok. We’ve got
plenty of time to do some deeper dives later. We just really wanna make sure that we
keep up with the release schedule and we’ll, we’ll come back to these episodes in the
off season or maybe even in the coming weeks as things come up in future episodes
and we’ll take some deeper dives. If there are some particular deep dives that youwould like us to take. Please send us an email at Thank the Light at gmail.com. That is
thank the light at gmail.com. Please give us any questions, comments, things we miss
things we should focus on things you’re excited about. If Justin uh records with or
without pants. We will answer all of your questions. Definitely. No pants. Yes, no pants.
Podcasting. I thought that’s how, that, that was the whole point of podcasting is no
pants. There you go. This is so exciting for me, Justin. I have been podcasting for a
while now. I got a couple other shows and trying to figure out something that we could
come together on and I’m so excited you brought this to my attention. So I didn’t have to
drag you in it at all. I’ve got all the equipment and the mics and I’m ready to roll and,
and you’re excited about this product. So we just just jumped right on it. What is without
getting too spoiled? So, Justin, like I said, he is a longtime fan of the book, so he’s got
some inside knowledge that we’re going to try to temper just right to not spoil things for
people who are jumping in just with the TV shows. But uh give us your history on this
series. Yeah. So some predictions, hopefully more like, uh you know, because of my
knowledge, I’ll kind of see where they’re going with it a little bit ahead of time and kind
of just talk about it more than be like, oh, this is what’s gonna happen because I think
it’ll be like Game of Thrones a little bit where they do change some stuff, but I think they
will change much less. I think the change. So the changes I’ve seen so far are mostly
for story progression. I really love this. I’ve been reading it since I was like 14 or 15
years old. My cousin was like, man, you need to read these books, dude. And I was like,
yeah, ok, let’s check them out and I started reading them and I, they were amazing and
he got sick, the writer got sick and they lapsed for a while and another guy ended up
finish him. And I thought he really captured just the feel and all the best parts of Robert
Jordan’s writing at the beginning and, and to finish it in a real flurry. So I’m super
excited to see where the TV show goes, especially from what I’ve seen so far. I’m, I’m
pretty excited about the whole situation. The casting so far has been amazing. Uh
People definitely get the source material and their characters was his son, the one whofinished it or did he just help procure some of the, no, the guy Anderson. Um, he was
just a guy, another kind of like science fiction writer that Robert Jordan was, I think a big
fan of and Robert Jordan
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had all these notes because he was kind of sick for a long time. And it’s like you can
kind of tell in the, in the few books that he finished towards the end. It’s like he really
spends a lot on what they’re wearing. And the scenery and, you know, it gets away from
the story a little bit, which is why I’m really excited about the TV show because while
they’re long winded, they’re great. But, um, in a TV show to get people, especially the
first season to get people hooked and to want to be able to kind of live through that
character development, uh, they’re doing it a lot faster which, you know, I don’t
necessarily think is a bad thing as long as they do it right. And so far it’s been great. So,
uh but it’s just a guy and then he hand picked him and then uh Robert Jordan’s wife is
also his uh publisher or editor or both and she took the notes to him and she approved
all the file copies and everything and I thought that it was awesome because, you know,
something like that could go really badly. Yeah. And it was, I think he was still alive
when it was optioned for, it was optioned for the screen in the year 2000. Yeah. No, it
was for the, the, the screen and honestly, anybody who wants to look it up, I believe it’s
just called Dragon or maybe the last dragon look it up on youtube, Winter Dragon. Yes,
Winter Dragon. And it’s pretty terrible. And, but um, it is kind of the opening scene in the
first books which they skip is when they’re, they’re kind of telling the story of the dragon
when he kills his last few, you know, hours of life when he kills his whole family and
everything, like the dragon, like the stories that they’re kind of starting to tell at the
beginning of this, the myth and the legend. So it was one of those things where they
just made a 22 minute think just so they could keep because there’s there, they alwaysput options in those contracts. It’s like if you don’t use it, you lose it. And it was starring
Billy Zane. Yeah, it had Billy Zane in it. I think, I don’t think Billy Zane was playing the
Dragon. I think he was playing uh Hamel. Hamel, I guess is how you would say is he’s
known as the betrayer of hope. He’s kind of one of the not good guys, but I think that
was who Billy Zane was if I remember correctly. But yeah, I mean, like right now I’m
watching uh just the casting for Moraine. Uh you know, she’s supposed to be slightly
more diminutive, like she be kind of small but you know, a really pale woman. Um land,
you know, all the border Landers are kind of like the vibe you get is a real kind of
samurai warrior vibe. You know, they have like, you know, they have katanas basically
that’s their sword. We’ll get into these characters as we meet them. So we start and not
a regular day like it’s an exciting time of the season in our heroes, small mountain town
and they’re just doing what they do, picking berries, serving mead, doing their thing.
Igun is it Iwd? Uh Iwan, Ian Iwan is in the middle of a big ceremony to become. Now
this is just to become a woman. This isn’t to become a wisdom, right? Uh It’s kind of like
it, it’s definitely coming of age. And like once you, you are old enough to braid your hair
and become a woman, then you can, you know, you can get married and you can try to
join the women’s circle and be part of the village council. But like, so every woman goes
through this, I think so. I mean, generally speaking, I, I mean, in the books, it’s not as
much of a ceremony. I think they’re kind of trying to show you that it’s a wisdom thing
too. I think they’re trying to kind of combine it all into one. Yeah, they, so soon, soon
after that Nava uh the this town’s wisdom comes to her and says I want you to be my,
my uh uh my apprentice. Thank you. That’s the word apprentice and naive. She’s like uh
uh the names un unbelievably tough until you like everything. Like I’ve, I found out like
the things that I’ve been pronouncing for 20 years. Uh Everybody, I just want you to
know that Justin is the one that told me her name wasn’t her Moin Granger and he
looked at me like I was an Idi, he’s like, that’s Hermione. Everyone knows that. I’m like,
where do you see these words? And that was before the movies, I think too. He’s justlike, yeah, dude, I had them all read, I think before the movie so great. I, I’m enjoying
this more now. I had a, I, I knew I was gonna like this world one. I trust you and two, I
could just kind of see where it’s going, but I got a little, not too frustrated because I
knew that we were going to get through it. But like, I’m the whole that’s watching Game
of Thrones now. And so like, I just went through a massive world building situation and
so I’m just like, ready to do it. Yeah, I think a lot of people are kind of like aching for that
next kind of Game of Thrones type and like this isn’t gonna be that per se, but it’s
gonna be, it’s gonna fill that void for people who like, really kind of want like a really
good fantasy. Like, it’s what is dude say on parts and he’s like, oh, it’s a fantasy. It’s real
people set in a fantasy world. It’s like real stories. Like it’s real stories in a fantasy world
and it’s like, it’s a little more fantastic in its own way than Game of Thrones. Yeah,
there’s no dragons in this spoiler alert game of Thrones has dragons, sorry guys. But
you know, there’s plenty of stuff in this that is, is
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more, uh, you know, kind of magical. It’s better because the dragon in this is a man or a
human. We don’t know if it’s a man or a woman yet. So they’re very specific and again,
we don’t wanna get too spoil, but they’re very specific that only women can hold the
light, but a man or a woman can be dragging. What’s up with that? OK. Here’s the thing
without getting too spoil. Let me lay it out. So you get a little bit of it in the first episode.
Mar kind of tells a little bit of the story in the men and used to be men and women
could, the the female half is Sar and the male half is Sidin. OK? And it used to all be
kind of the same thing. It was just represented as men are kind of more destruct. So
they’re represented by the black half of the, the kind of Yin Yang looking circle that they
keep showing. And then the white half is the flame of tar and, and like, you know the the
women side because women like the way they embrace the power in the books is likethey imagine a flower opening to the sun and you go with the flow. The way men
channel are more like you gotta grab the snake and choke it and bring it into
submission because it’s like a raging torrent of lava. You know, like it’s very different the
way men and women feel used and connect with the power and we see that a little bit.
They don’t, they don’t accentuate it too much. But when they’re holding the guy down,
he’s kind of in a crouched together position while the women are kind of open and
facing him. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don’t wanna get ahead. But dude, trust me, I’m gonna
talk, I really wanna talk about the way they, the way they’re showing the one power
being used and all of that, I have a lot to say about it. So then they uh they have a
ceremony, the lantern ceremony, which is so the wheel of time is let’s just put this in 3d
terms. When you die, you get put on a spoke of the wheel and then your soul goes
around and does whatever souls do when they’re not on this planet. And then
eventually the wheel brings you back for another spin. Basically, you’re the same thread
and as the wheel, like, you know, think of it as a giant and just like million spoked wheel
of friends or whatever. And then as the wheel gets back to your spot, you’ll get, you’re
either still living or you get spit out again, you know, and like people, it’s a reincarnation
theme. I think if you think of it like that, it’s, it’s very it’s very prevalent in these stories.
Um, especially on the darker side of people. That’s one of the, yeah, it’s one of the dark
ones, special, special tricks that he does a lot. So, before the lantern ceremony, a
merchant comes to town and I don’t trust this frigging guy at all his buck tooth as, no,
you shouldn’t trust him. My second time. The first time I thought, oh, cute. It’s the funny
merchant guy. Like this is gonna be good. The second time I watched it, I realize when
the trolley show up, he just kind of grins and walks away. I’m like, oh, and they
mentioned at one point they say one of the eye lists may already be here, feel free to
just nod into the camera if you don’t want to spoil it for. But I, I mean, if you’re thinking
about that, the ISIS is already there. The rider on the road, you just don’t know he’s the
ili yet, right? So they’re having a ceremony, they’re, they, they have their belty ceremony.They release the lanterns. The lanterns are there to bring their ancestors back when
they’re, when they’re, if it’s their time to come back, the lanterns will lead them back
here because you know, every time you go around, you do just a little bit better. And if
you can go around this wheel one more time in the same place with the same people,
all the merrier. What do they call it the ta Tavern. Who are these people, um, tavern and
they’re the people that if they’re strong enough to be in. And it’s like, usually there are
people who have been heroes or, you know, like, very impactful in their previous lives
and whatever it is that their personalities are strong enough, whether they have the
power or you’ll see. Like, you know, so, I don’t know where they’re going to go with it in
the show but, you know, it’s, everyone’s getting that twitchy feeling but it’s the bell times.
So the party goes on any. 00. So the party goes on anyways. And then moraine our
titular Eye sai of our story shows up and everyone knows who she is. Her warden is a
warden or warder. Warder, er, warder is with her and they have been ex, I don’t know if
they really explained wars very well. Let me take a guess. So, in order for the eyes to
die, to cast magic, it takes time and effort and they can’t protect themselves and the war
is there. Yeah. And more or less, you know, it’s kind of the idea of like, you know,
protecting the bowman with the lion of Pikes. You know, you’ve got to give them time to
do their thing. And also if they have been, you know, drawing a lot on the one power
though, they could be weak for a few days or there’s places where they can’t channel
as you see in uh episode two at the beginning. You know, there’s places that they can’t
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otherwise, you know, people wouldn’t be uh happy with them to say the least. I that’s
one of the things I pre about this is that it takes energy and effort to cast a spell. She’s
not just, you know, a lot of times you see wizards and fantasy and you’re like, oh well,he could just walk through this world and just where’s his man? A meter? How does he
refill shit? So it’s definitely kind of um it’s uh one of the reasons I fell in love with this, it’s
very force ish like it’s definitely kind of an inner being and some people are stronger.
You’ll hear people talk about, oh, you know, the old blood is really strong and beneath
her in and stuff like that and they’ll have some crazy powerful uh girls come out of their
village at some point if this, you know, continues to go. Well, the one thing that we didn’t
talk about is like they’re really showing you how the red aja is um in the first part of this
episode when they go hunt that guy down, they’re just kind of showing you that, that’s a
guy who channels and that’s what the Reds do just backing up a little bit. Yeah. No, I
that’s good because I, I jumped right into the town and I forgot that we get AAA big
chase scene at the beginning. It’s two guys running and then when the eye to eye catch
up to him, you realize it’s just one guy and his vision and he has been obviously
touched by the dark magic. The red woman says this is only for women. When men
touch it, they make it filthy and kills, which isn’t true. Uh I mean, OK, so like what she’s
saying is that that’s the reds uh the red, that’s where the OJ each have their own kind of
thing. And the reds stand for like men are, are, are filthy. Men have perverted it. And
that’s not entirely true. It’s their half of the magic that’s been tainted altogether. So any
man who touches it good, bad and different will go insane. It doesn’t matter how strong
you are. It’s just each person will be affected differently. Each person will be able to fight
it off or not fight it off longer or not longer. You know, just it’s a, it’s an individual thing.
They, they tell a story later about someone who or no, we actually see it. Yeah, I, I don’t
wanna of us because I want to talk about that. So I really love how they visualize that,
but well, because they don’t really show you that. So Moraine shows up, she’s looking
for the dragon. There’s so they know the dragon is 20 years old and there are four
people in this village that are 20 years old and have all come in contact with the power.
We don’t, we don’t really, I don’t know what that is yet. How these people in this small
village, all 20 year olds came in contact with the power. It’s not come in contact with the,um, there was a, there was, they, they really gloss over it. They have a, is to die at the
beginning who had a foretelling that 20 years ago that the, the, the last, the, the latest
dragon has been born. And so so by being touched by it, they could have been touched
by it in a past life. They didn’t have to touch it. It’s not even a touch thing. It’s just like the
wheel, spit out the next dragon and we have to find them. Oh, it’s not like touchy, touchy.
No, no. It’s just like the w the wheel, the wheel, birth the dragon. He or she’s needed
many, many years ago. Men thought that they could get rid of all darkness. It was more
like, um, war wasn’t known. And when the dark one started coming around for the
reasons that he does, which, you know, eventually we’ll find out. It’s more like there
was, it was more like everybody’s cool, everybody’s got everything and then some
people wanted some more power. They figured out how to, like, touch the dark one’s
power. That’s, that’s where that comes. And then in, you know, men are like, we’re
gonna fight and the females are like, there’s gotta be a better way. And so the men go
fight and in fighting their half of the magic is tainted. That’s why the females didn’t get.
And so that’s why for however many years only women have been, I don’t know if
allowed is the right word, but basically allowed. Yeah, because I mean, if a man
wouldn’t have gone crazy, he could have kept his power, but they all went mad. So
yeah, it wasn’t it one man, it was thousands, you know, at once. Men are gross,
disgusting power hungry boys. Um And so so yeah, so Moraine is looking for the red
dragon. She hangs. Oh, they’re having the big, the big party and then the Trolli show up.
So the Trolli are orcs for lack of a, I mean, for now, I’m sure I’m sure we’re gonna
change that terminology later. But for fantasy, yeah, for lack of a better um
understanding as someone who’s new, look at him as like a orc. They’re kind of worse
in their own way because they’re not like a race. They’re created. And so yeah, orcs
were created in the Lord of the Rings, weren’t they? Actually? Yeah, you’re right. They
were kind of like boiled out of the ground or Yeah, and they’re way more powerful. Like
these are like these are all God orcs. Well, actually, no, because the thing about theTRS is like where orcs like they, you know, they have the kind of smaller goblin ones
and they have the big badass ones. All the TRS are kind of different because they’re
mixed with animal stuff. And I’m sure as we get from
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some have like eagles heads on a man’s body and some of them are more able to be,
to move humanly and fight humanly and some of them are a little more awkward but
still, you know, swing swords and stuff and some of them just fight with hands and feet,
you know, stuff like that. But, you know, generally they’re making them a little more
similar uh as uh so actors can play them. I think it’s CG I budget to be honest, as we go
further in the show, you’re gonna get more interesting looking trolleys and stuff like that.
So Moraine uses her power to fight off these things, but in the melee few interesting
things. One is Rand’s dad. Rand’s dad pulls out a sword. Yeah, he’s got a sword. Is that
a swan that’s on it? It is a heron and generally hearing Mark blades in this world means
that you’re a blade master. If it’s a true hair in Mark blade, it means that you killed a
blade master to get it and you either took it from him or, or somebody made you one
like who was like from his house or, or whatever, something like that. So he’s, he’s bad
ass enough to either acquire the sword through one means or another. He’s got skills.
Yes. And also a lot of her and more, especially the older ones are power made so that
they won’t break. They don’t need to sharpen. Um, the I said, I don’t make weapons for
a long time, but the ones are from like the age of legends that are still around because
they, they don’t ever get back. Did Rand take it with him? Yeah, he did. OK. And also in
this melee Perin in the middle of a, I wanna say Tran, that’s not right. What are they of
like a berserker tr like Rage tra like thank you. Yeah, he killed his wife. Is everybody
talking about? Yeah, go ahead. Say it again. You cut out. No, I was just uh yeah, you
know, in his little berserker rage of killing TRS, he turns and he chops his wife in halfalmost. So Nav Nava is Drug away by some Trolli oh 999 90 I’ve read there’s a, you’re
over complicating it. I used to say ni naive, so naive, naive, naive and Iwan, they have
kind of the harder names in the books. Actually. It’s kind of like what? At least when you
write Iwin it makes sense. Yeah, I will say this. Her casting. Oh Man Dead ass Rand, the
kid who plays Rand is great. Ken is my least favorite actually because I really like his
character. In the book and what they’re trying to do, they say because he’s always been
bigger. He moves slower, he talks slower. He seems slow witted because he doesn’t
want hurt anybody. But I get that they’re trying to show that but he’s just coming off is
really dumb to me so far and it’s bugging me, I think. Yeah, I can see why if you’ve read
further, you’d think that. But as someone who was just introduced, I think, I think they’re
doing ok. And he gets so well, we’ll get into that in a minute. So she so naive gets drug
away by the Trolli and then, and, and moraine her warder land, Iwin Rand Perin and
Matt Moraine says you have to come with me because one of you is it, yeah, one of you
is it and it’s definitely story progression, book wise. Like they have no idea why they
should go. They just know the TRS are there and she’s like you guys should come with
me because you know, you know this and that the other. She’s like, well, and that’s how
she gets him to come with her too is that she’s like the TRS are coming and they’ll kill
anyone you’re near. Yeah, basically, like if you get out of here, then you can kind of save
your Yeah, they don’t have any idea about dragon reborn, anything like this. It’s like, you
know, like I said, they’re moving really fast which is fine because the parts that they’re
moving really fast into me are stuff that you can gloss over a lot of that stuff anyway,
because it’s just, if you don’t get a, if you don’t get past your first season, you’re not
going to develop these characters anyway. Watching uh Game of Thrones right now.
And then I just started listening to the book that opening prologue that takes 4.5
minutes is 45 minutes of reading. You think if you think George R, Martin is long waited,
Robert Jordan, that guy will spend three pages talking about the scroll work on some
chick’s dress and I get it because a lot of that, especially in the books is like they’retrying to show you that it doesn’t matter what color your skin is. If you look Asian,
whatever, it’s more about your dress and you where you’re from because, you know,
there’s no real races per se. There is to a certain extent. But like, there’ll be, you know,
several types of, of people from Khem or some, several types of people from, you know,
where they’re from and, you know, like that’s why some people look black or Asian or
whatever, but they’re all the same and they do a good job again as a newcomer of
lacing that in like, I definitely, instead of just pointing out you’re dressed wrong, you
suck. Like there’s a lot of subtle just like you can tell people are just kind of side eyeing
them and, and, oh, I know where you’re, you’re not from a city because, you know, your
caller is wrong or something. Right. You, you seem like a country bumpkin because of
whatever and like, they do a good job of doing it without hitting you over the head with
it, which I like Matt. Matt’s character is a little different at the beginning, but I think
they’re doing it to kind of like I said, to inform his, you know, they’re, they’re showing you
he’s got a good heart,
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but his family wasn’t like that in the books. They were a really tight family. His dad and
Tam are like, really, yeah, his dad, Tam’s uh Rand’s dad and Matt’s dad are best friends
in the book. They’re horse traders and they’re really tight and they’re both really good
dudes. And so, you know, Matt’s dad being a, a piece of crap in and this is kind of, and
his mom too fall like, yeah, both his parents are just definitely far from the books, but I
think it’s because Matt goes through some really bad and he kind of comes off as he
could kind of go like to the dark side or something, you know, for lack of a better
description at this point without giving anything away. Um And I think they’re really
trying to still make you like him. I love Matt dude. Matt’s my favorite character, bro. I
wanna get a tattoo of Matt the books. He’s so awesome. He’s like his, he goes throughthis stuff and he ends up being like so lucky. Like it’s just about he can’t lose that
gambling. It’s amazing. Like I, I don’t, I doubt you get this reference and I doubt anyone
out there will get this reference. But Kelly and I, for whatever reason got really into the
100 he reminds me of I ended up falling in love with John in that and he’s just a
scoundrel little bastard and I ended up loving him. And like so immediately Matt is just
like taking John’s place and I’m already super excited. I was, you know, completely, you
know, for to, for, for Han solo when I was a kid because Luke Skywalker is kind of a little
w he’s got a whiny voice like Han Solo is the man dude. And uh I, he’s Matt is the Han
solo of the story 100%. He’s like, God, why do I gotta save these people, man? That
what I do, I guess let’s go parents right there with them. But by far, Matt’s the most
badass non channeler in the books hands down. So when I, when I’m trying to like keep
these characters great. The first time I’m watching this, I’m just writing down any
buzzwords I can. So here it is, Gwen got her braid nine wisdom Rand. I wrote down
Anakin because he’s an Anakin looking mo but you know what, honestly, like I said,
without giving too much away, you, you, you’ve got the right vibe which means that
they’re doing their job correctly because of the simple fact that you’re picking that up
already. And it’s like even with their kind of like they’re definitely trying to do red herrings
and shit like that. So real, real quick, real quick. So Parin Wolf boy. Yes, wolf boy,
definitely. And Matt, I wrote down this is what I was getting to Matt. I wrote down
scoundrel. Gorel. Uh, yeah, I would change parents to wolf brother. Ah, right before the
Trullo come to town, they find the sheep and they’re, they’re in kind of the, like this kind
of like upside down teardrop. That’s what’s known as the dragons thing. Oh, yes. Yes.
You’re gonna see it a lot. Yeah. What was that? It, when it’s the other way, it’s known as
the flame of Tarin. So it’s kind of like, you know, yin Yang light versus dark, that kind of
thing. Yeah. Who felt would land? Found that land? Found a bunch of dead sheep.
Yeah. Teardrop shape or whatever. Thank you. I totally forgot about that. I knew that had
more significance. Thank you. Well, while you’re talking about that, I’m gonna talk to theaudience a little bit and, and talk to you a little bit about this. So, going forward, Justin, I
think these drop at like midnight Friday, like Thursday, midnight, Thursday or midnight
Thursday. So, if we, you could record these Friday afternoon, that would be super dope.
Like, wake up, watch it around 10, get on a call, record it and get it out to the, the, the
fans as soon as possible. Should be easy enough for me. I, I was afraid it was gonna be
like Friday night at seven or something dumb like that. But yeah, if they’re just sitting
there all day Friday, that’d be perfect. Yeah, I might even try. I’ve been trying to watch
them Thursday nights even. All right, I’m gonna move through this. If you find anything
interesting in episode one still go for it. And of course they’ve got, yeah, the, the white
magic and the dark magic. Yeah. And it’s like, well, there’s really no white magic and
dark magic really. It’s just, there’s male and female, um, feminine and masculine. Yeah.
The females are usually stronger in like water and air and then earth is usually kind of a
shared strength and then men are fire, fire. And so we run. So with the, actually the, the
episode two starts with a white cloak, taking the ring often is to die and burning her. So
we know these guys are bad dudes and then they run into all of our heroes on the road
and start to question them and there’s the, the leader, the captain or whatever is, is
pretty satisfied with their quick story. But there is this guy called, he calls himself a
questioner. Yeah. So questioners are like the White Cloak version of uh detectives or
something except the religious zealots, they will torture or do whatever they think of it
as like Spanish inquisition, dude. Like they’ll do anything to get the answer they want.
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once they’re convinced that you’re a dark friend or whatever, it doesn’t matter. And the
thing about White cloaks is generally speaking, they call, I said I witches and are evil,
but some are definitely more like the, the, the captain, the white, the white guy with thewhite hair, the bearded dude. He’s like, oh, ok. You know, you better get yourself healed
by an eye to die. You know, I don’t really hold with the witches, but that’s the only way
you’re gonna live. You know, like he’s obviously just at least a reasonable dude doesn’t
hold with what they do with. The other guy is like, no, they’re evil. I want him dead. He’s
collecting the rings. You know what I mean? He’s like a bounty hunter all the FT style.
Yes. Yes. He has quite a collection of iso rings. Questioners are the dark half of the
hand of the light. They are also called the Hand of Light. The ironic part is, is that there
are all pretty much, at least in the book. So I’m gonna, I’m gonna move through this a
little bit quickly, but just because I, we could focus on some stuff. But I think the basics
is you can always go back. You know, the heroes are flee that once they walk away
from the white cloaks, you know, the questioner is like, I’m watching you and they leave
and yeah, that’s exactly what they’re running from Trolli and they’re willing to do
anything they can to get across and in doing so they basically end up sacrificing a nice
ferryman and his family in order to get across this river because Trolli, he didn’t listen.
Well, his family though, even if he did listen, though his family was gonna die because
he left his family on the Trolli side. I hate to be a devil’s advocate. But guess what? He
died too. Yes. And, and guess what? They’re all die. No, you’re right. You know, I think
they probably aren’t really interested in that town. They have bigger fish to fry and these
guys. So, yeah, they’re, they’re definitely looking at the big picture. They’re trying to
save the universe and this one dummy is uh not a big deal to them. Yeah, exactly. And
they keep running and they keep running and they end up getting to the Shaar lo goth,
the dead city. Thank you, Shaar Lo goth the dead city. And they, and by this time
Moraine has passed out, she’s just wasted from using too much magic and she’s
keeping everyone else healthy. Basically, she keeping everyone else energized. She’s
got her shoulders messed up. Iodide can’t heal themselves. So she’s hurt. She’s
exhausted from using magic. She’s exhausted from keeping everyone else up and
running. And so she finally gives out, they huck her over a horse and land, takes him tothe city of the dead says we have to go in here because the TRS won’t go in here but
don’t touch anything. So, do you think it’s a problem if TRS won’t go in there, if girls are
afraid of it? Should we just be like, hey, this is great. I don’t know, they’re afraid of a
lake. So, you know, maybe they’re not the most, you know what? That’s a good point.
All right. Yeah, that’s true. Yeah, we’re afraid of running water. So, you know, they’re
basically hippies. Oh, and one of them says that too, they say they won’t get another.
And I think it’s Matt that says that’s why they stink so bad. It is why they stink so bad
though. They’re like Bigfoot, dude. They just say they get their food, they’re gross.
They’re gross. Trolli are gross. Everybody, you need to know trials. I think I’m gonna add
that to the Wikipedia page right now and TRS are Truls are gross. So they um I forget,
do they spend the night, do they run from the, the, the Shaar Lago in this episode or
they run at like halfway through the night? Um So again, another one of those things
that like story progression. They actually kind of go treasure hunting, all three of them.
And, and, um, they come across this dude who, hey, come down here and help me
move my treasure out of here. I can’t carry it myself. You’re talking about the book right
now, right. Yeah. And they go down to this room filled with treasure. And that’s where
Matt snags the dagger unbeknownst to Rand and Parin. but he just gets it by himself in
this obviously. And, uh, they, you know, she w she knew they were going there and they
weren’t supposed to like, leave her like protection of her maid. She has to like a, like a
award spell to like kind of hide them. They kind of leave the area and then that’s, you
know how they’re gonna get in trouble. And then all of a sudden if, if there’s enough, like
if there’s enough Isis or fades, like they can make Trulli, they can push them, depending
on who’s pushing the fades you’ll see later. There’s fades are still real low on the, on the
corporate scale here and the evil. But, you know, they, they, they’ll push trucks across
water and push them, you know, into a place like Shaar lo goth. And that’s not really
happens. They just end up running from. So, so Matt goes on a midnight journey. We
don’t know how lucid he is during these, everyone’s getting visions. Everyone’s, that’sanother story progression moving forward like everyone’s getting vision. So everyone
you don’t know who’s, who, who’s the dragon who’s powerful because they’re all getting
visions and Matt’s kind of hearing whispers and that’s kind of what draws them
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them to the dagger and then the, the black death mold or whatever that they turned it in
comes out. Yeah, the shadow starts to follow them all over the place, chases them out.
Moraine wakes up during this and of course, gets mad at land for bringing them here
and then of course they get, this is where our heroes get separated. Yeah, which is
pretty, pretty dead onto the book. That’s pretty much where they get separated. Mashad
are, is more of like, uh, that’s what they call it. The, the Black Living Tar. It’s like a, just a
incantation of evil. It’s more of like a fog in the books which I think is they’ve probably
done a good job making it kind of visually scarier and it’s, it’s, you can see it on the
ground. It’s easier to, yeah, individualize and the dividing line. And I think one of the
reasons why they did it, you see it in the episode later, I’m sure we’ll talk about it when
Matt’s, you know, the, in, in the farmhouse, we talked about it and you could kind of see
the, the shadow kind of retreating into his mouth. Yes. And just kind of trying to, I think
they’re doing a good job. They’re trying to show you he’s kind of possessed, not all the
time, but it’s starting to affect his personality overall, the longer he holds the dagger. So
some of these people will be reunited in a minute. But right now we have 34 groups.
Land and Moraine Gwen and Perin. Right. Rand and Matt and Naive is on her own for
the moment. Yes, she’s following behind, basically trying to catch up. She’s gonna catch
up very soon. But that’s our, those are our four groups right now that didn’t get to
discuss strategy before they left. And so now they’re separated and trying to figure out if
the other groups would go home or continue to the White Tower. Right? Can I just tell
you, I thought he was eating her tongue at the beginning of this episode. The WhiteCloak dude, I was like, is he eating her tongue going full cannibal arm? And it’s like a, a
pigeon bird? It Yeah, but I was like, what the, what, what I thought for sure it was. Yeah,
I, I about part of some sort. There is something I want to talk about. OK. So in their
dreams, the fire eyed man and the bats come out of their mouth. Yo. Yeah. So in the, in
the book, you don’t really know like they’re doing right now, you don’t know who’s gonna
be the dragon. They’re all having this kind of like really shitty dream and uh, this guy,
the fire eyed guy, he’s starts taunting and like, oh, you think the white power is gonna
protect you and this stuff? And that guy, he’s a real important part of the story. And pers
the only one who sees him, right, Billy Zane. Billy Zane. Billy Zane. I said, Billy Zane, B
Z and that, and the only person that’s seen him so far as parent in the, in the show,
right? Um I, I’m not sure, I think they’re all kind of having a version of the same dream
even though they’re not showing it because Matt starts talking about the bats and how
they’re crushing him and then ran kind of threw up the bat. So I think they’re having kind
of a version of the same dream. So I think they’re all and, and parent at one point, they,
they’re kind of talked about the dream and he says the man with the eyes of fire. So I’m
like, and they all just kind of like, look down. So I’m pretty sure they’re all having like a
version of that dream. OK? I, I’m, I’m probably jumping ahead a little bit, but let’s just so
I gwen obviously has some powers. She wants the wisdom, wants her to be her
apprentice. Uh naive, naive is, has some power. She’s a wisdom, she hasn’t been
properly trained, but she’s fairly powerful. Rand has a bad ass sword and is throwing up
bats. Um Perin has got a, a wolf, a wolf pack got a boo boo on his leg and then the
wolves start following him and then the wolves just lick it and give him a big doggy kiss
and then walk away from him with, with that knowing look and Matt is being consumed
by the blackness. Right? Good or bad. We don’t know yet. Well, and like the thing about
it is, is, I think the, you know, it’s like because Matt is actually a really good person and
it would have really just eaten him alive already, like within a day or two. But because
he’s actually a really good person and he has ran that cares about him. I think that’swhat kind of keeps him from like really losing it also. You said something I wanted. Oh,
so listening to the wind naive the wisdom generally in that part of the world, there’s not
a lot of iso die. But people who can channel and live become wisdoms usually because
they can listen to the wind because they have a power and you know, their, their herb
can work way too good and you know, their fever tea is, you know, working a day
instead of three and like everything just works a little too good. But nobody can figure
out why. And the reason why she’s kind of choosing a win is because they can feel the,
it’s like a force user can tell another force user type thing. Yeah. Yeah. Moraine can
smell it on her. I’m a nerd. Moraine can smell it on her. Yeah, you can smell it. And yes,
you’re, you’re, oh my God. Huge segue. My, my son, everybody, my six year old son. So
II I had, I found, I forgot we had an old Amazon fire, like the f, like a, a version one. And
I’m like, oh, this is perfect to put movies
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on because the only thing we buy on that is Kelly finally gets tired of renting Disney
movies. Of course. Now we have Disney Plus, but like the same Disney movie. Yeah.
And so once she rents, once she spends $50 renting it, she finally buys it for $8. And so
that’s what we have on it. So I’m like, oh, cool. I’ll fill this up. But I had put some stuff on
it for my trip to Seattle. So I was deleting all of my stuff on it and then I put a bunch of
stuff on there for Cormick to watch and then, but one thing wouldn’t delete. I’m like,
whatever. You know, it’s got tangled and Incredibles and, and, and Zootopia. Like he’ll
watch one of those. We drive all the way home from Carmel. Three hours, we get home.
We go. Cormick goes, oh, my movie just ended. We go, oh, perfect. What did you
watch? He goes, I don’t know. And we’re like, what do you mean? You don’t know, like
you just finished, like, was it a cartoon? Was it, like, just take a minute and think about
it. He goes, I don’t know. I don’t know. And I’m just like, what the f, it was really good. Sohe gets the tablet out and he opens it up and the one movie I couldn’t delete, he goes
deep throat. I don’t know what, I don’t know what it is. Cl, er, KS, I, a Clerks Two. Yes.
My six year old nephew watched Clerks two. That one is exponentially worse. The third
one, the donkey show. Oh God. So a good kid because he just doesn’t even got, he just
knows that there was some funny jokes. Yeah, he’s just like, oh, fuck a movie buffin,
man. Let’s do this. So that’s my son, everybody and obviously, uh so great. All right. So
now that I’m done with that, I’ve been excited to tell you that all week. Oh, sorry, man.
Sort of break. How was your Thanksgiving? Half times over? We’re moving into the
third quarter. So nine Naive finds land and moraine, she apparently tracks land. She
hasn’t really explained how she’s done that yet, but they, they set it up, that land should
be impossible to follow. And she’s just like he went that way and sneaks up behind, not
only finds him but sneaks up behind and puts a blade to his throat. Yeah. Which like
he’s not just just, you know, for anybody who’s watching wondering, he’s not being nice
like that should never happen. And so the two rivers folks, uh, you know, our heroes,
they’re notoriously, you know, they’re woodsman, they’re farmers. So they’re all pretty
good at tracking. Like Karen is a really good tracker, especially once, you know, he
really starts getting in tune with the wolves. He can smell good and, but they’re all really
good trackers and naive father, I believe, was like a, you know, a really good woodsman
hunter. And he taught her before he did. I don’t know if they’ll ever cover that in this
show. So that’s why I’m saying I got a hunch. Her tracking is gonna come back and
they’re gonna have to explain it at some point. This is where a Gwen and Parin are
followed by. So now we have three packs. So now that naive has been, uh, she’s come
up with the moraine and l we now have three groups and she says she tells l to take
her, I forget, did she say take me to the White Tower or take me to my friends? She
says something like I’ll slit your throat if you don’t tell me where they are right now or
something real dark, actually. Yeah. Yeah. She’s not, she’s, I mean, we’re at the end of
episode four and she has not loosened up yet. She is still, you know what she’s in thatand that’s good. But also they’re, they’re actually kind of toning her down a little bit
because she’s, um, you know, if things go the way, like, she ends up being one of the
most powerful female channelers and she changes the way because, like, they don’t,
I’m sure they’ll talk about it later. But I wanna get, I wanna, I wanna draw people in
because I want them to know what’s coming. Yeah. In a way that won’t ruin it. And what
they’re showing is that the age of legends when the dragon existed, like there were
things called Joe Cars that were kind of like cars. They know there was no famine
because they use the power and the, the, the song, uh you know, there was a song that
people sang and you’ll meet some people who sing to trees and can make things out of
the trees when they sing to them and shit like that and all that has been lost in the
breaking of the world. And so there’s a lot of things that could have been done with the
power, like people could fly and people could do stuff and all these talents. One of them
a big one and I really can’t wait because there’s no way they tell the story without it and
they can travel with the power. But no one in this age so far has learned how to do it
because no one’s strong enough turns out they can’t do it because it’s real easy. For
men to do it because of the way sighting works. And it’s really hard for females to do it
because of the way side art works. It requires an extreme amount of the power for
females and not so much
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for men because men just kind of use the power and drill a hole in the pattern from, you
know, Seattle to Everett and you’re there or Seattle to New York and you’re there. And
females have to like, like, really, they can’t just rip a hole in the pattern because they’re
just not strong like that. They have to kind of like weave, you know why, you know why
Justin, why? Because men are penetrators. That’s, I mean, I think that’s kind of the, you
know, unspoken like thing. But yeah, you guys just poke at things until it goes through.So, so music is a big deal in this whole show so far. Like they’re, they’re, they’re, they’re
laying it in nice and soft. But you, I can tell that music is gonna be a big deal and that
should be either good, really good or really bad for someone who’s read the books,
depending on how they play it. So everyone has, they’re all just traveling to directions,
they’re all arguing about, well, not arguing but mostly discussing where to go. Yeah,
everybody’s kind of like licking their wounds recovering from like the travels of Winter
night, getting separated at the chan. Go Perin and I Gwen are, they’re tracked by w
what seems to be just wolves? That’s what we’re kind of led to believe as the watcher.
But then eventually a pack of dog, or is it, or is it, do the people protect them from the
dogs or the people and the dogs together when they finally? So the dogs are with the
people, the wolves are their own thing. Oh, ok. Ok. So wolves are chasing parent and a
Gwen and then eventually the travelers find them and kind of chase the wolves off.
Right. The traveling people and travelers are, um, they’re the tinkers, they’re looking for
the song and that’s, that’s part of the things from the breaking. They had a song that
was because they, they sang, they, they sang to crops to make them grow and, um,
they, you know, so, I mean, like it was, they were a part of, they, they would sing while
the eye to eye channeled to the crops and stuff. They just, they, everybody kind of
worked together in the breaking and now after the breaking they were kind of like the
servants of the eyes to die did no violence. And then their kind of beliefs have gotten a
little twisted. But like you will see the, like they’re the most peaceful people and you will
find out of point, the most boring people in this show. They were once one together and
then they broke apart because of philosophy. I would call them if, if I had to put them in
the, the world we currently live in. They’re the Romani of our world. One of the kids, one
of the travelers is very tongue in cheek about his family’s life and he knows what other
people say about them. And so he’s taken it back. So, Matt and, and find a little town.
Do you remember what it’s called? Um, you know what, I don’t know what it’s called in
this, they call it, it’s not a town, it’s something crossing. Oh, yeah, you’re right. Yeah, it’sjust a, some kind of a mining, a dirt mining, I think is what it sounds like. Yeah. So
they’re in this town. The, the bartender, she takes a shine to both of them actually,
which is, which is always curious. And then the gleeman, the gleeman is a, someone
who apparently goes town to town to sing. Maybe there’s more to him than that kind of
like a historian. Think of him more like, you know it. Oh, that’s right. He does say he’s a
historian. Yeah. You’re familiar with the term Bard? Oh, at all. If you’re that nerdy, think
of him as a bard. He was once a court bard and actually was kind of engaged to a
queen at one point. She’ll come in later. Hi, his story if they decide to go that way. And
he’s, he’s shifty but nice. Not shifty. Um, there’s something, the game of houses. It’s um
kind of like think Game of Thrones, political intrigue. Everything you do or don’t do is a
message whether you want it to be or not. Yes. And, but he’s just a, he’s a solid dude
that you know, he and uh he talks about his uh they just, no, it’s more of a secret in the
book. But his, his nephew Owen obviously could channel at one point and he um, I
believe in the books was caught by the is to die and gentled and then killed himself. But
I think he says he killed himself in this first. So in this, in what we see, the, the
bartender eventually traps Rand. No. Yes. Rand in a room and he thinks she’s gonna kill
him. But she says, no, I’m waiting for Max. I don’t know which one of you it is, but I’m
gonna take you both to the dragon or both to the dark lord. What does she call him?
Well, she says I’m gonna, the great Lord of the dark is, that’s what dark, that’s how, you
know, that give away from a dark friend if they don’t say the dark one or something like
that, you know, that they’re probably at least leaning that way. Rand breaks down an
unbreakable door. Right. And you know what I believe that that might be kind of one of
the first time that he channels in the books. He, when they’re running, you know,
moraine goes to all the horses and she’s channeling to the horses to give them
strength. And he gets to Bella Rand’s old horse, which wa is riding and she doesn’t
need any kind channeling because Rand’s wanted, she’s like, I can’t let Bella fall
behind. She’s the slowest horse. And so Rand’s been channeling without knowing it andthen they get separated and then
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Matt and Rand are trapped in a similar situation. Not exactly the same. And then
suddenly lightning strikes and breaks the wall out from where they’re at and then Rand
gets really sick after that. Oh, ok. Yeah. So if Rand gets really sick after this, then I think
that’s gonna be probably kind of the first time in the show that he channels. But they’re,
they’re all, they, these kids all have some powers. So the gleeman after he makes, he
makes friends with Matt after they kind of, they kind of leave the bar in unwelcome
terms. Matt and the gleeman have a little conversation, um, over a dead body and kind
of make nice. And then they go their separate ways and then Rand and Matt are
fighting the bartender. Wait, let me stop you. The, the dead body isn’t just a dead body.
He’s an IE oh, and they’re very important to the story, uh, while they’re running away
the gleeman, Matt and Rand. Matt is having some trouble with his horse. His horse is a
little finicky with him. And the gleeman eventually talks to Rand and says, like there’s
something up with your dude. Yeah. The gleeman thinks that he can channel because
of his nephew because he’s starting to act crazy. He’s thinking, oh, he’s touching the
power, he’s going mad already. And this is where we learn the glee man’s nephew.
When they took his power away, his nephew killed himself because once you’ve
touched the power, regular life is boring. Kind of like you lose your will to live this scene
right here is from a filmmaking perspective. I hope we see more stuff like this. When
they, when they kill the bartender and she’s bleeding into a puddle of water, it starts to
move and you’re following the puddle of water and you’re not sure where to go. The
symbol of the eye to eye. But no, but no, but they fade. The, the, the puddle goes in the
same shape and they fade it into the next scene which is trees and it’s just ok. I’m
watching it right now. It’s just a glorious. Oh, it doesn’t, it doesn’t mean anything to theshow, but it’s just as from a filmmaking perspective. It’s beautiful. Yeah, that’s a lot.
They’re doing a lot of stuff like that, which I love. So, ok, we’re at the end of three low
game pops up. He is the most recent person. He has declared himself the dragon, he
can channel, he’s very strong, but he still is like untrained and, and a drop. Which one’s
low gain do we see? Does he’s the guy in the cage? 0000, gosh. Yeah. Yeah. I’m still,
I’m still at late Leandre. The red, the red sai good casting on her. She’s awesome. So,
yeah, so we see now who they’re, at least the I sai, or at least at this point suspecting is
the red dragon, you know, some that they walk a real fine line, especially with the white
clothes. It’s like, are they zealots or are they terrible people? Well, and there’s a
moment in, we’ll, we’ll get to it in more detail, but there’s a moment at the end of
episode four where I thought moraine was gonna go dark like I thought right away it
was just gonna be like, oh, this woman we’ve been following for three episodes is bad,
bad news. Like they, they really hold a pause on her face and make you think like she’s
gonna do something dark. What’s his name again? Sorry. What’s the, the, the not red
dragon guy, Logan? All right. I’m gonna take another pee and then we’re gonna do
episode four. Yeah, Logan abl. All right. So we start in episode four with a quick back
story of uh Logan where he is destroying Gilden or Gild. An as I thought for 15 years,
that’s how I’m gonna, and I worked so hard to figure out right, because I didn’t want to
even be saying it wrong in my head when I was, I used to take notes and I don’t know if
she’ll show up in the book, but there’s a character named Min and I think she will. Oh, I
used to take notes on the first time that she meets kind of our heroes. She has about all
of them and she tells you all of them. And so I wrote them all down so I could figure him
out when I came across him in the books later. It was like, I kept these notes for like, 10
years. Oh God, I wish I had those notebooks. I know. But, yeah, he’s destroying Gil Dan
or Gilden, sorry for sure. And, um, they kind of, they, they don’t really tell you this in the
books. They’re just like he’s gathering armies. They don’t tell you how. So I actually
really love this, the fact they show you because little game, believe it or not. He is a veryimportant part of the story even though it seems like he’s gonna disappear fast if they
keep him. And he is a very noble. Very good character. Yeah, he’s not a pure destroyer.
Like he’s, he’s, he’s doing if he’s doing some un unhealthy things to get what he wants.
But in his heart he just wants people to join his car. It’s, it’s like, you know, uh, uh, let
me put it to you this way. Uh, greater, good style. Moraine kind of off as dark sometimes
because of the simple fact that she knows what’s at stake because of the foretelling.
She was there when she was a novice and saw
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and she knows what it means and she knows that this guy is not the guy, even though
she’s never met him, you know, she just knows and she’s also willing to like sinking the
fairy. Yes. Like right there, it’s like she’s like, look, I’m not a bad person. I would rather
not have to do this this way. But I will. And she said that in the book, she said it dead
ass to the, when she figures out the kid is a dragon, she’s like, hey, I’m gonna do
everything I can to make sure you succeed, but I’ll kill you myself before I let you go
over to the dark one. And she’s, and, and a lot of people, she’s a big believer in the
wheel and she’s just like, it’ll be back. They’re kind of like the blues are kind of like the
Obi Wans. They, they, they could fight, they’re diplomatic, they do everything to kind of
keep the world moving. The, the keep the wheel of time spinning, dude, the way they
are showing you kind of like how, when he first the channel you can see it’s kind of
white like moraines and then the blackness creeps in around it. Oh, I missed that.
That’s the taint of sine. That’s the dark ones touch from him fighting back and you can
see it the way they’re visualizing it. It’s kind of how I, when they explain it, you, you ran
like, he’s like, it’s like dipping your toe in a sewage pool or something, you know, but the
water underneath is crystal clear and the most delicious thing ever. And so the way
they’ve made it look, it’s, I really like and even the way they kind of visualize themadness of the person kind of whispering in his ear, that’s like a, you know, shadow
person. So like they’ve really visualized the madness that because it, it manifests
different with everybody. But the way that it’s shown him, it’s almost like his conscience
to, you know, but it will still go bad eventually because the longer you touch it, the more
insane you’ll go. But to see him bring this guy to his side because of mercy is cool and
healing and his cool. Definitely something that’s added that I really love and he thinks
the dragon Logan thinks he’s a dragon. He even has conversations in the books with
Rand and he’s like, you know, it could have what’s to say it wasn’t me, whatever he is,
he’s powerful and the eyes to die have to work in teams in staggered teams in order to
keep him at bay. And they do a really good job visually of, you know, the of the white
magic in encasing him and every once in a while his black magic will puff up and the
white magic around it has to force it down and they have a lot of conversations with
each other about like how this is the hardest thing. This is like the marathon upon
marathons of casting power that they’ve ever had to deal with. Yeah, I hate to be a
control dick. Dude get used to saying Sine and Sidar if you can s oh instead of white
and black just because dude, I don’t want people to get the wrong idea. They have dark
magic because then they’re gonna get this feeling that like it’s not, it’s kind of like the
forest, dark and light. It’s the great Jedi thing. It’s like it’s really about which one’s which
Sine is, the man is the masculine. I’ll call it. Yeah. Male half, you can say male half
because it’s really supposed to be two halves of a equal part. Sar is feminine. Yeah.
And the reason why the females aren’t as I love it. Nerd. I’m such a nerd. Reason why
females are becoming less and less strong over time is because they’re calling the
ability out of society by gentling all the men who can channel. They’re like, what if we
already gentled the dragon? What if we already took his power? And one of the things
instead of like um one of the things I noticed that they not that I give a shit about
passing or whatever. They, when they’re doing stuff with the power they call it weaving
goes along with the wheel of time type thing. Weve the wheel wheels, whatever. Yeah.The, the intro to this show is pretty cool. It’s a giant weaving wheel that’s making a
massive tapestry. Yeah. And there’s seven, is there seven iso die in the finish at the end
of the opening scene, I assume. Yeah, there’s seven aja, There’s seven different like,
you know, uh they’re all kind of dedicated to their own thing. The greens are for fighting
the last battle. The blues are, you know, diplomats. Yeah. So what is there? There’s
green, red, blue, green, red, blue, yellow, white, gray, maybe there’s six and they talk
about the seventh aja is the black aja white. Yeah, white are logic. Like they just say
logic, everything is logic. Philosophy. Browns, browns, browns are scholars and like
librarians, yellows are dedicated to healing. OK. All right. That was a unnecessary
tangent at this point of the thing. I, well, mostly I wanted to know if you can remember
what all their powers are. That’s why I asked it. Yeah. And it’s not that their power is just
kind of like there’s like their, you know, OK. So in theory when they, when they turn 20
they can go any direction they want to and then whatever they decide to make, it
doesn’t matter. It’s more about figuring out how to channel and do the right things and
passing all their tests. Sometimes you might have until you’re 60. But they’re probably
already leaning one way, like they probably specialize in. Usually. It’s kind of personality.
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, so during this, you know, while they’re, they’re keeping lo gain at
bay there’s lots
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of conversations going on. You know, the red ones want to gentle him. Yeah. And, or
Leandre wants to quote unquote, gentle him. Moraine because of how powerful he is.
Moraine is pretty convinced that he’s the one. No, no, no. She’s a little nervous at first,
but she’s kind of just being, keeping everything to herself because she doesn’t want to
give away that she knows he’s not the 10. Oh, ok. Because she actually goes in and
talks to him and she’s like, dude, she goes, I had, you know, when I first saw you, I sawhow, how you were strong and I, you know, kind of gave me a second but she goes,
dude, what you have is a drop. That’s right. Ring torrent that the dragon will be. And
that’s the conversation that it’s. Do they foreshadow? That’s why I really think they’re,
they’re planning on doing it and start to finish because they’re foreshadowing. So stuff
that’s so far forward, you know, that I don’t even want to give away. But that’s one of the
things that rand and, and, and Logan just have a quick conversation. He’s like, how do
you know, I wasn’t the one and then Rand goes and does something channeling wise
and Logan goes. 00, that’s how, while they’re, while the iso are doing that the war, all of
their warders are outside, uh, just chatting with you. You know, it’s, it’s just like, it’s like
any Bob, like no one on the planet understands these people like another warder. So
they finally get to hang out and, and have, you know, uh uh have circle jerks which it
looks like they honestly might do when the camera is not looking. Well, actually some,
yeah, some of them. OK. The green iso usually have multiple water. The reds usually
have none really has one and they’re usually just their body man. You know, they, they,
they fight, they protect, they kill them. It usually if the wars are gonna be involved with
their eyes to die, it’s a green or a blue. OK. And greens usually have multiple orders and
it’s, there’s usually a lot of that. So they’re, they don’t really talk about the books. They
just kind of imply like, yeah, you know, they all just gonna sleep together and you know,
whatever goes down goes down. So they all fight for the same cause. So that’s, that’s
that. And then we’ve touched on it a little bit but then we’ve got Perin and Iwin are with
the travelers and they’re, they’re learning about them and their, their passive nature and
how Tinker crap. I would say that again. Silly tinker crap. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, you
know, there’s like, how do you never war? And they’re like, well, actually a lot of us have
war, like, war before. Like, that’s how you usually get to this point is you see that you get
sick of it and, and Perin gets that look on his face because he’s seen the worst part of
battle by accidentally stabbing his girlfriend in the gut and killing her. Yeah. So he’s
getting that twinkle in his eye of like, yeah, maybe I’m really trying to figure out wherethey’re going with that. I’m trying to think is like parent seems to be kind of a solemn kid
in the books. He, like he said, he, oh, he thinks about everything because he doesn’t
want to hurt anybody and he’s already living away from his family and you know what
he is, you know what he is, Justin. But he’s a lone wolf. No, dude. And he’s, and I guess
because like I said in the books, you know, like he has his own reason for sorrow but it
doesn’t come along so much later and then Rand and Matt and Tom. Yes. Tom
Maryland, the gleeman. Is he the gleeman? Ok. I, I, for some reason I saw Tom and I
forgot what the glee man’s name was. They’re just one and we kind of, we kind of
already talked about this too. Yeah, they’re just getting away from the town where they
just stabbed the bartender and Matt’s having some trouble with his horse and the
gleeman starting to look at him a little cross eyed. Yeah. Having seen this before and
his nephew, they’re keeping low gain in check. I really dig the way they’re showing the
weaves fall over him and him trying to, like, trying to break a shield. You know, they, they
describe it as this kind of web, you know, with certain points of light and each per, you
know, like nimbus is a, you know, kind of like the set of that sister’s power and he’d go
in and, like, force his power into the little knot and just burst it. Yeah, he’s trying to take
advantage of him. Like, because if the women are not focused, if they start to chit chat
about. Yeah, that’s the thing. If you’re not on it, like 100% 24 7 someone who’s like him
is just sitting there. It’s like the velociraptor testing the fucking thing. Yeah. And, um, it’s
really cool how they show him just like flex and flex and flex until he breaks the shield.
It’s like, it’s really what they, I think they did that because Rand does that in a really
much more dramatic way in the books later on. I think they’re trying to show what
people are capable of. Yeah, which is super cool. Ok. So Logan and I see he’s flexing
they’re like, what’s up? Well, and like, let’s not forget that Leandri is like, let’s let him
escape so we can just gentle him right here and we don’t have to, you know, go through
Tower Law and have a trial and everything. It’s too dangerous and she’s just trying to
get her away because she hates me the channel and yeah, she’s trying it because,yeah, but if they, if, if, if he, like I said, if he over FEX on him, they have the right to kill
him or to at least remove the demon. And I think the, the,
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the one question is very pointed. She’s like, what if we already gentle the dragon and
you see Leandro’s little hint of a smile probably. Oh man, I really love the casting. Like
the casting. They’ve pretty much nailed all the way around, but some of them are better
than others. I really like Matt’s character. I like Matt’s look. I hope they develop his
character. Seems like they are parent is the one I just, you know what? Uh and we’ll go
deeper on this fans out there. We’ll have a, we’ll, we’ll take a deep dive into these actors
and where you know him from probably end of the season, we’ll sit there and go
through and, you know, obviously anybody can email us anything they want us to talk
about because I can talk about anything you want. I’ve done deep dives on just about
everything. And I love the fact that I get to compare it to something and talk about it with
other nerds. It’s amazing as my poor wife, I try to talk to her about it. She’s like my
fucking head hurts. Stop talking about that. We’re gonna take deep dives whether you
like it or not audience. So if you want to help direct these, yeah, he is. What to do. Well,
take your lead to man, the, the, the casting for Tom and I do love the songs. The song is
a big thing to tell the history of the world that they live in, I think. And Matt’s a big singer
as well. Usually God, she just has those cheekbones le dude. And when they describe
her in the books, oh, she’s perfect with her. She, she could almost be pretty if it wasn’t
for her pouty angry mouth. I mean, I, those cheekbones that is not makeup. She is just,
she has a pretty harsh face. Like she’s a very severe face so kind of getting more and
more like turned on by it. It’s just so, it’s so naturally chiseled. I can’t help but be
impressed by it. She’s Eva, who’s Mary Co, what’s her name in Harry Potter? Do you
know who that is? Who she is in that? What’s the name? Uh Now I can’t get it torefresh. Why are you not Mary Cattermole? I don’t have a clue. Probably somebody
who works in hogs meat or something when I was in town. Oh, I think she works in, um,
shut up. Does she work in the, the, the candy shop where the kids go and hogs me or
does she work in, like, the dog? And I think that’s who, who, who her Hermione, um, uh,
uh, uh, that’s who Hermione impersonates. Yeah. Yeah. They go into the Mystery of
Magic. Yeah. Ministry of Magic. That’s the word I’ve been looking for. Yeah. Wow. Very
cool. Yeah. So Lander is definitely pushing to try to, like, oh, you know, she just wants a
gentle little game and the other, she’s like, no, we need to go through, you know, the
process of it all. And then you get to the, like you said, you get to the, the dream
sequences kind of at the end and I think they’re trying to really show how Matt Perin
and around Matt and Perin are connected because they, the true to Veer and they’re
the really strongest ones and they’re connected in a way that, like if later in the story, if
they even, like, think about, if someone’s like, hey, what’s up with Rand? Have you seen
him? They get like colors and swirls in their head and they can see exactly what the
other person is doing at that moment. Um, so I think that’s kind of what they’re trying to
establish in the dreams were kind of like parents there. But he can’t hear him and, and
Matt’s walking kind of back behind him in the back and they can’t hear each other, you
know, or anything. The gleam, uh, Tom Matt and Rand, they, they come across this farm
and they’re just, at one point they’re just gonna sneak in and sleep there and not tell
anybody. And then Rand is like, why don’t we just ask? And then by then the owner of
the farm puts a bow and arrow in their face and Matt’s got his hand on his dagger. The
gleeman is just kind of like, uh, uh, what’s going on here? And Rand just talks everyone
down. He says, hey, you don’t wanna kill us. We don’t want to kill you. Like, if we wanted
to kill each other, someone would be dead. Can we just have a place to sleep tonight?
And he’s like, fine as long as you clean the out of my horse trailer or my, my horse barn
and everyone has to work for it. They’re always cleaning out of a horse barn to get a
good night’s sleep. Well, and it’s, I know it’s, there’s a lot of these things and like,probably read way too much into it, but a lot of these things, like little things how Rand,
like he doesn’t quit when he goes to work for the bartender lady. Like he cuts the whole
pile of wood, you know, like he does everything all the way the right way for the right
reasons and they’re trying to show his character as well. Like, hey, I’d rather not have to
fight. I would rather just, you know, make everything good for everybody and they’re
really trying to establish a character, I believe in like how people fall good or bad, you
know, and because on the other side, Matt’s always bitching and doing as little as
possible and trying to talk his way out of it. Um, well, especially since you got the
dagger. Matt was kind of already kind of lazy anyway, like that one doesn’t work now. It’s
more like I’d rather be doing anything. Yeah. When we meet, when we first meet Matt,
he’s trying to gamble for beer money basically. Yeah. Well, and like in the, in the books,
he’s like trying to get RAND to go check out this badger that he caught and he wants to
let loose in someone’s house or something like that instead of putting Tam’s Brandy
and then Sam comes out, he’s like, hey Matt, you came to help. He’s like, uh,
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no, I sure, sure, why not? Sure. He’s like, then we’re gonna go get that badger, ran, ran.
Like, so they’re definitely adulting this up a little bit and I could totally see why. Yeah, if
the audience was all 15 in 1990. Well, and you got to think that you better not piss off
the hardcore fans like me that have been there since 15 so it’s like you got to do it in a
way that works. And so far I’ve been very s 00, this is where the, the Tom talks to Rand.
It says your buddy there, I’ve seen this before. So while they’re laying there and falling
asleep, Rand turns over to Matt and just says, hey, dude, I’m, I’m here for you, man. We
could talk about anything. Um And then I forget that Rand actually wakes up from a
dream. He like Rand kind of follows Matt in a dream state. That’s the kind of the part I
was talking about. It’s the world of dreams. And so like people who can channel, cankind of go in there and like look at people’s dreams, they can mess with people um all
kinds of stuff, you’ll find out more about it later. But I think that’s what they’re kind of
trying to establish is that these guys are so powerful, but when they dream, they go into
this world, a dream that’s not just like a normal dream, which is also why he can kind of
see them. Rand is automatically dreaming I believe and knows that he’s dreaming in
this and you can see them because he is the one who can channel Matt, he’s back in
the waking world walking with the dagger because his presence is stamped in there by
the dagger. So he can see what he’s doing. And he’s kind of like where is he going, he’s
just walking through a field or he’s not walking through a field, he’s going and he’s
going to the farm house or whatever. And him and Tom, you know, they wake up and
he’s gone. So in this dream, Rand sees Parin stabbing an ax into a body. I don’t think
he can actually see who the body is, but we know who it is. I’m guessing it’s his lady. I
don’t know because parents is dreaming of having nightmares about killing his wife over
and over again. That’s the way I took it. But I don’t know. That’s right. I forgot about this.
Then the flaming. So, so Rand does see flaming eyes grabs, they call him balls of men
right now. Part of the dark. That’s when Rand, that’s when actually Tom wakes Rand up
because Rand is sitting there screaming, they realize Matt’s gone. So they run to the
farmhouse and Matt standing there with a crazy look on his face and the black coming
out of his mouth, which they’re going extensive, but they’re just trying to show you that
his actions are kind of being pushed by the dagger right now. And they’re kind of trying
to make you think that his, he killed the family, I think. But that’s not what happened.
And he points the dagger up to the balcony. He’s like I see you and then a F is this a
fade? Yeah, this is the eyeless fade. Yeah, I can remember. This is a fade or the, the
flaming eyes. Yeah. No, that’s a fade. And like, basically one of the things that, even
though Shaar logo was evil, the ones that they, they weren’t evil so much as they kind
of ate each other out of paranoia. But they hated the shadow. The reason why they
hated the shadow that, that drove the paranoia. So the one thing that it hates and willdo more than try to eat people and possess them is anything related to the shadow. It
wants to feast on. And so I think that’s what Drew Matt to the farmhouse was the fade
beam. They’re killing the people. What does Matt say? He says, I see you fade or
something like that. So Tom stays and might be dead is, is someone who has watched
television before. If you don’t see the dead body, he’s, he’s not dead. Yeah. If you don’t
see the dead body, you’ll, you’ll, they’ll come, they’ll catch back up and how the fade
moves right here from the one shadow. And then suddenly he like, kind of materializes
on the ground in the shadow, on the ground. Yeah, they can move from shadow. See
how he just disappears back into the shadow too. They’re like, they’re like, they can do
that. They fade in and out. Get it. Yep. They, they can like slide from shadow to shadow
real easy. And then we, so this is when we finally get to the point where the iso die are
distracted. Well, the word uh land and Naveen have a moment where they kind of
connect over a prayer. So Naveen is starting to let her let her guard naive. Goddamn it.
Nine eve nine eve like nine inch nails. Nine, 99 times nine e nine E nine eve and land
are God. It’s so funny. They give the such just one syllable. I guess that goes along with
the, the, the whole book that boys are simple, dumb creatures and girls are beautiful.
Well, no, and everybody’s got like you when you get, if you have a certain, if you’re a
merchant or if you’re something, you get like an owl at the end of your name. Like, uh,
or if you know you were, you know, like you get, you get an owl and by your name or an
extra thing on your name, like Land’s full name is and man drugger. Oh, that’s a
mouthful. Ok. Nine even land. They, so, yeah, nine E is starting to kind of let her guard
down a little bit and then, oh, that’s right. I forget the army approaches. I forget that,
that, uh, Logan’s army starts approaching the camp. Oh, right. Right. Right. And they,
they can kind of be like what’s still and I think he somehow draws on their, does he
draw on their power or is it
01:15:00just a distraction enough for him? To get one up. Yeah, it’s just a distraction enough for
them to be like, what’s that? Boom? Oh, you know, they have to, like, lose some of their
focus, you know, the one thing I don’t love as much as all the, the, a lot of hand
movements but I guess you gotta, you know, when you’re casting or whatever, when
they’re weaving. Oh. Did in the book, did they just stand stone still? Uh, it’s a little more
force user is more kind of like a point and a, uh, you know, yeah, a thing. But, I mean, I
guess it, you know, it depends on anybody. Well, I think it works just because they have,
have to, they have to cinema it and that’s why they’ve done a really, well, not just that,
but they, like, they have to build up the power. And so I think a couple extra hand
motions to like, channel, right? All of that. And what I also think doing a really good job
of showing how much you can do with the power, how strong it can be. But they’re also
just, they’re not even scratching the surface of what people can actually do by the end
of it. It’s crazy. So they can kill all of the, the, the approaching warriors and then all of
the is Toai run in to where I think all, most of them, I shouldn’t say all of them. I think
some of them do have to stay outside and, and fight. But most of the iso, I go into the
cave where they’re holding Logan and they like, channel into a channel into a, well, first
of all, he explodes and he like, shoots these black, these sine, he shoots, well, it’s kind
of the cage that he’s in and it’s like, uh, it’s more like when he, when he, when he
breaks it, the cage explodes. And so it’s, I think, well, the only two that can’t be healed
are the two that get hit with that blast. Oh, the people who get hit with the, the, the, the
aftermath and get hit by projectiles are fine. But the people that I’ll have to watch it
again, it might just be like a, they’ll use like, a lot of times they’ll use like air and they’ll
make it. Well, yeah, see, he busted the shield right there. He was just looking for the
weak spot and when they only left him too, he busted it, but then he melts that whole
cage down. Right? He does melt the, ok. Ok. Ok. So, yeah, what he does is basically
trying to escape and it’s like little, yeah, siding, projectiles. They’re made of air. Probably
more likely than not. But, yeah, they’re doing a much better job of this. Like, the poweris more understated. There are movements and it makes more sense though. I can’t
channel unless she’s angry. Oh, really? Well, that’s just because she’s, she’s new and
she doesn’t know how people who learn in the wild. Like, like I said, a lot of times once
the people touches the power for the first time, they get really sick. And then what
happens is if you live, you usually find a way to kind of like mentally block yourself. She
gets angry when people are sick and she gets mad when people are killing each other.
And then her whole thing is she’s a healer. She wants to heal. And so when she gets
mad enough about healing something she can channel, even though her first
channeling is kind of destructive. Well, no, she’s healing people. Actually, she heals that
and she is, she heals up until now the, the iodide we’ve seen heal people. It’s a very
pointed, I can heal this one wound at a time and she just lays down a dome of healing
power. I mean, and not to mention damn near brings land back to life. Na’s whole
mission in life is to heal. That’s all she wants to do. So after everyone gets healed, that’s
when they link up through Leandri or they are towards Leander is the leader and
everyone is channeling their powers into her and she just hits Logan well, and that’s the
right, the right thing. There’s what they call they link into a circle. Um And if there’s 13
and there usually it’s supposed to be at least 13 to cut someone off from the power
unless you’re really, really strong because they’ll form a circle of 13 and then someone
will be in charge of that circle and they kind of use everyone else as kind of a battery.
Ok? And plus when you’re getting all those different powers too, that’s gotta be super
powerful. I do like in this battle the way that they’re, you like the way that their
movements and they’re using the power like in a way it’s like, that’s the thing about I
said I is that they’re supposed to be like kind of judicious in there. When they’re in the
middle of a big battle. They can’t just use all their, their energy up one. It’s like they have
to find ways to utilize the power without drawing so deeply on it. Logan doesn’t care.
Watch Andon right now. She’s starting to do it. Her, her cheeks start to glow. Oh Yeah.
Like if you do too much, you also, you could cut yourself off, you could burn yourselfout. There’s also a reason why she’s not afraid. Oh dude, he breaks his axes, bro. He’s
because he pierces the shield with his axes and then he shatters the axes. Yeah. When
he break, he pierces the shield just a little bit that enables Logan to channel into his ax
because it’s inside the shield and this, yeah, this is where it pays off at her and land had
a moment before. But moraine like one in the gut too. She heals moraine right there too.
And Leandre shoulder, like, she heals three different people because her way of
healing is different.
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Most, like you said, they’ll take two pieces of the power and they’ll put it right into the
wound and, like, knit it almost like a surgeon. She just like, yeah. Uh, and just fixes it
like, like a God. Everyone in my zone is now healed. Yeah, pretty much dude. Oh yeah.
There’s, there is a lot of uh cer energy coming out of him. Oh yeah, there’s a lot of,
there’s the all the girls 1234567. I think there’s 708 eight. I think she’s the eighth. I think
Leander is the four reds. So the one that dies here II I forgot to look. She got hit with the
straight up sine. Yeah, probably like air. They just made it black because it’s Cine. Yeah,
I think you’re right. I think there’s a total with Leander. 1234567890, there’s nine, there’s
four in the hallway. All reds. There’s two reds out here, one’s Leander and one’s
someone else and then there’s two greens. Oh, that’s right. So mostly all reds and they
did a good job of like showing how the power got ripped away from him and then he
starts crying immediately because he knows. Oh, guess what? Guess her not the
dragon because one of the things about the dragon is that there’s a lot of prophecies
he’s supposed to fulfill. So it ends on us. It ends on a fade out of naive because now we
know that she’s no joke. Yeah. And you see Moraine’s face right before that. Like what
you just did should not even possible. Yeah. You know, you stunned him while healing
three or four other people. One of them on the brink of death. So we’re gonna race tothe finish as much as I’d love to uh wax intellectual on this. We have plenty of time to do
that. I just wanted to give all you listeners out there, catch you up, catch us up, let you
know what we’re doing. You know, we’re gonna get way deeper only talking about one
episode next time and we’ve got a long off season. The Nerdy Dirty and one thing I
want to let the listeners know if you want more book talk, I’m not against that. I’m or less
or less if I need to or Yeah, I, I’m, I’m, I’m starting this off as a, you’ve only seen the
show. Um But if, if all of our listeners are just filthy dirty book readers and you wanna
get down and nasty, I’m into it, help us out. Let us know, let, let us know what you want.
More of, let us know what you want, less of where is my jest and anything you wanna
anything you wanna add real quick before I go, basically, just that and then when we’re
in the off season, like, you know, like you said, we can get as deep and dirty in the
books or you can kind of keep it focused on just what we’re seeing in the show and
what I think and we will definitely have some heavily spoiler labeled episodes of some
deep dives later on whether you want it or not. So. Well, if you don’t want that, you can
skip those episodes, they’ll be months, months, the months ahead, those will be off-
season stuff. Mostly I just want to get people who are as excited to talk about it as us
and tell them what they want us to talk about and then we can talk about it, tell us what
to talk about at Thank The Light at gmail.com. That is Thank The Light at gmail.com.
And if you’re into podcasts, which I got a hunch, you are. Check out what sounds
awesome.com. That is my little network of podcasts that I’m growing. Uh Since we know
you’re into TV and movie type things. Check out time pop where me and Ari and Scott
talk about a different time travel movie. We watch a time travel movie and then we talk
about a time travel movie. It’s awesome. If you want to get spiritual, all the answers is
great. If you like spirituality and fart jokes, all the answers is for you. I like both of those
things if you want to get ripped and, and have great information for building muscle and
your, your, uh, what do you call it, your nutrition and just great interviews with authors
and doctors who get ripped, they’re getting me ripped. I’m working with these guys.Check out to you TNT podcast that is TNT podcast and also one last thing, the Be
Brave podcast past where Kara and Patty talk to awesome women being brave, telling
awesome stories living through it and you can get strength just like the ice to die. You
can harness their power and take on the world and be brave real quick. All I mentioned
everyone’s name. I wanna mention all the answers. Katie Rubin Cassidy Brown, Truth
Nut Trends, Jesse Schmidt and Liam Bauer. I’m not on any of and just, and the best
thing about all of those shows is you don’t have to listen to Jin and you don’t even have
to listen to me and most of them, I’m all over time pop. I dip into A T A and TNT. I am
nowhere to be found. I’d be brave. So if you want people to be able to find you on the
social medias or anything, or do you want to keep that under wraps for now? Uh Yeah, I
mean, you know, I’m, I’m fatty, the chef uh 420 on Instagram and
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yeah, hit me up. It’s just my personal page. But yeah, go for it. Yeah. Hit him up about
this and just check, check out his Instagram because he has just started a whole new
chapter of his life and I won’t, I won’t spoiler it. Just check out the pictures and you can
tell that he’s on a hell of a journey. And uh and I, we all want to wish Lisa the best of
luck tomorrow, Lisa. Stay safe. We love you. Keep those tubes in. I, I, I’m sorry, you’re
gonna have to go through this, but I’m excited for what’s on the other side and big hugs.
Yeah, she says thank you. She has a probe in her nose or it’s in her throat. I guess it’s
in her butt, put a tube, put a tube in her butt. I, you know what, I’d rather have a tube in
like um, take some notes and then hop on and go d on episode five. All right, brother.
No. Take baby. Yeah, I am. Uh hm. You might want to cut this out eventually. It’s like I
think they’re doing that because they’re trying to mixed and edited by Desmond
mcneese for we mixed it LLC. Go to what sounds awesome dot com. I’m trying to hear
Desmond P so I don’t know if that’s good pod Podcast father, but I’m trying, I don’t knowif you heard that Thor is growling. He’s asleep though.
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